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Hi,
Please can someone say something about this little cup? I feel it may be 19th c and I am almost certain I have seen something like it before but I simply can't remember. I am not even sure where it is from. It is quite roughly made, with an unglazed bottom. I am calling it a cup but I suppose it could be a small bowl?
Thanks for your help.
Julia
Hi Julia,
I posted these two bowls not too long ago. They are similar. The 2nd one seems older. I don’t believe I was able to figure out what they are. But maybe that is what you are remembering? Or not 😋
Similar, but they could be unrelated to your’s and to each other, not sure. The 1st thing that popped into my head was kitchen Qing or maybe Annamese?
Am curious to see what others have to say.
Todd
take it with a grain of salt
Hi Julia, your bowl is probably late 19th or early 20th kitchen Qing. See pictures from the book „Nonya ware and Kitchen Ching“.
Todd, your second bowl is similar to a late Ming Swatow bowl I own. Look at the bottom if it’s comparable.
Birgit
Thanks, Birgit, very helpful! I half thought it might be kitchen qing but the colour and base made me wonder if it wasn't from somewhere else.
Todd, thanks, that may well be what I remembered.
Brian, welcome to the site. It would seem they did. 😊 I can only say it feels like a 19th c piece, but the base makes it look older.
Julia
Hi Birgit,
You really know your stuff. The base is very similar. I am thinking that it is Swatow, like your’s. Which would make it the older piece I own 😀 . Thanks so much!
Todd
take it with a grain of salt
All,
Very nice items to my eye's at least, I have posted before how much I like Minyao items the fact they have been sufficiently loved and cared for by several generations so they can come down to us is always remarkable to me. I know they get dismissed by some as unimportant or just kitchen ware and I can understand that.
Michael
@julia IMO very nice example of a poor mans cup 18 century, the pottery seams to be not very clean therefor it has absorbed some of the color that whas painted on, the edges of the painted area are not sharp ,they are more like ink blobs on blotting paper. the blue is very intense not greyish like the newer examples posted ,the glaze is very thin i did not crakle and its very clear i would say 18 cent but prob. not jingdezhen based on the clay...
Those are valid points, thanks Martin. I saw on Gotheborg, though, very similar cups in terms of the blue colour and the rim decoration dated early to mid 19th c. The thing that throws me is that unglazed base.
There was an auction in Brussels recently with piles of what looked like Kitchen Qing only they called it kitchen Ming - is that a thing? Some did look Ming like, but some of these pieces do in a way. Anyway, I will see if the images are still available and look for unglazed bases.
@julia i am afraid calling it ming ,such a big step so many years past, how can it possebly have survived.
But it could well be judging by the superb clean white colour of the glace .
When swiftly painted , the blue they used during ming period, it looks exactly like this.
The unglaced foot is common during ming period .
Could very well be Ming period. what an exiting find.
@julia i am afraid calling it ming ,such a big step so many years past, how can it possebly have survived.
But it could well be judging by the superb clean white colour of the glace .
When swiftly painted , the blue they used during ming period, it looks exactly like this.
The unglaced foot is common during ming period .
Could very well be Ming period. what an exiting find.
Sorry, Martin, I wasn't talking about mine being Ming, just wondering why the items at the auction at Brussels were referred to as kitchen Ming. I am pretty certain mine is 19th c when all things are considered. Sorry for any confusion. I seem to be good at that recently! 😊
Hello Julia,
Don't worry no confusion you posted your cup/bowl as 19thc with a question about the base. Your thinking on the date was confirmed by @shinigami. The reference to an older item was @watership very nice item, also confirmed by Birgit. Yes there is such a thing as Kitchen Ming a google search will bring up 100's 0f examples, although if you search Minyao Ming you won't have to fight through all the take a way restaurant ad's. I saw quite a few with unglazed bases both from the Ming and Qing think it depends what market they were made for.
Michael
Thanks, Michael.
Interesting about the Kitchen Ming. I was so tempted to bid, there were piles of them, some I am pretty sure were Qing but all the same, the opening prices were 10 euros for multiple item lots. Of course, they didn't go for 10 euros but even so, the prices were good for what one was getting. Brussels was a bit far to go to collect and the delivery on many items, all needing good packaging, would have added considerably to the cost.
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