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Hello All,
This recently acquired Japanese bowl is proving difficult for me to assign to a particular kiln, region or date. At first glance you might think Chinese but a with a closer look you soon discount that thought. The foot rim has been slightly shaped with a knife and the white glaze inside the foot rim turns slightly green as it rides up the inside of the foot rim which can be signs of a Kutani origin rather than Arita. These characteristics can also be found on items that get assigned as Daishoji Imari. Although the bowl is quite well painted and designed I don't think it is quite to the standard you might expect from Daishoji. The blue ranges from sky blue to almost Royal blue, the blue floral border on the outside up from the bottom of the bowl is nicely painted with good shading. The pheasant in the center of the inside is quite well done the fact that it is surrounded with a wide white space can be an indication of an 18thc date. The oxo around the foot rim can be an indication of an early date. The colored enamels Dragons , phoenix and flowers are not as well painted as you might expect from an 18thc item. Although the decoration could be called busy it is not really crowded there is sufficient space between the different elements for them to stand out which can be an indication of a pre mid 19thc date . There are no spur marks and on a bowl at just over 22cm wide you would expect to see spur marks on a 18thc item. At the moment I am thinking the bowl is Arita mainly based on the blue and white elements. As far as date is concerned have discounted the 18thc, but have not been able to really place it in time. It could be 1850's thru to the 1950's. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Michael
That is a very nice bowl. I have had and seen this type, the blue roundel in the middle can be nicely done or a printed mess, sometimes it is sparsely decorated others seem more purposeful like yours. The tones of the colours vary, too. It doesn't help, especially when other people's dating varies widely.
I have always loosely classed them as Imari and owing to the lack of any spur marks decided most are likely Meiji, especially those with printed centres and deeper, less refined colours. However, every now and then one comes up that makes me wonder if it isn't a little bit older, like yours.
So, my feeling is maybe 1850 -ish? Although, I could equally stretch that to anytime up to 1900.
Julia
Hi Michael,
Very nice bowl you have there. I looked around to see if I had something similar for comparison. The closest I could find on short notice is this bowl. The general ideas are the same as with your bowl. Dragon and phoenix, with the small clouds of green and yellow as a main decoration. The shape is also similar, as is the blue line on the exterior, just below the rim. Then the interior, with the decoration divided in three, and the blue design in the center separated from the outer by a thin decoration.
I believed this bowl is mid-19th or thereabouts. I could be wrong, am far from an expert, as you know. Maybe they are from the same time period. The foots seem similar, although this one has the bullseye. The color shades are a bit different.
Todd
take it with a grain of salt
Hi Michael,
A stunningly beautiful bowl you have acquired. Looks to be in excellent condition.
For my two cents worth I believe it's arita ware. The style is based on a earlier examples from the early 1700's.
I believe yours is from the late Edo to Meiji period. It's difficult for me to pin down exactly. So 1850-1900 in my opinion.
Perhaps George aka gfhandle or JRN could provide some insight or advice on further dating. Along with Freek if they log in.
Mark
BrettM,
I notice some aspects of Chinese design in the manner of the underglaze blue clouds at the feet of the phoenix, and the use of green glaze. Fukagawa / Koransha famously did this with superb execution in their earlier years before delving fully into their pictural style of porcelain.
The absence of fret marks may also be an indication of their kilns. So, perhaps your piece was just left unmarked.
Hello All,
Thank you to all who replied. I think Julia may be on to something with her comments on the central roundel, it my well be printed using the stenciled method rather than the paper transfer method. Japanese ceramics from the late Edo and the Meiji are very difficult to date or assign to a particular kiln which should not be surprising when you consider the great changes to Japanese society going from a feudal system of basically separate states almost constantly at war with each other to a modern country with central government. Very nice bowl you posted Todd, agree with your dating.
Cheers and Thanks
Michael
Some are hand painted, yours looks nice so I assumed it was. I haven't worked out in my head whether stenciling is a sign of later production. The colours on yours are lovely and that is what makes me think of late Edo, poss early Meiji. If it turns out to be a stencil, that will be interesting - to me, anyway.
When I moved recently, I threw out (literally - I feel bad but it was last minute, no time to take them anywhere) many lesser quality Japanese plates, but I think I may still have one with the blue roundel. I will look later.
Julia
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