The Chinese and Asian Art Forum. For Fans, Collectors and Dealers.
Basic Rules For the BidAmount Asian Art Forum: Talk about whatever you want. You can even discuss and offer things that are for sale if they are authentic. Maximum image file size per post is 2 MB. Images of 700pxl x 700pxl are optimal if saved at a medium resolution. Be respectful of others and enjoy yourself. Click the YouTube link for a brief tutorial on using the forum. You can also EMBED Videos by cutting and pasting from You-Tube, Vimeo etc.
NOTE: To post an item or add a new post, click open the category title from the FORUM LIST, and CLICK the Blue ADD TOPIC button.
Hi everyone,
I’ve looked everywhere for the discussion on Telling the difference between Flambé and oxblood glaze. I couldn’t find it so I thought I’d ask in a new post.
Is this Flambé?
The glaze overrun on the foot hasn't been ground, does that mean it’s provincial?
Is the glaze too shiny? I’ve read somewhere that a glaze that is very shiny on Flambé can indicate a Late 20th century fake.
Any other info would be greatly appreciated... including whether you think it is genuine or a fake!
Nic
Looks like a nice early one to me .
I thought maybe first half of 19th century if genuine.
Is it Flambé or Langyao or something else?
I believe Xin gave an explanation of the difference between flambe and ox-blood glazes on another recent thread - I think flambe tries to imitate jun glazes and combines blue and red tones, so your looks more like ox blood.
From the foot and base , I would guess this is later than C19th, maybe early C20th? The underlying porcelain looks grey or yellow-ish , the foot is roughly cut and the glaze over-runs are cut off very roughly. I would expect an earlier piece to have an whiter unglazed base. Also the shape of the vase is not very fine. .........Just my thoughts.
tam
That’s great, thanks Tam. I thought the foot was a bit rough too. I also thought the glaze to the inside of the foot was often crackled, this one isn’t as far as I can see. However I did think the colour of the body could be OK, that they were often red or greyish white?
Nic
Hi Nic,
Sorry there is something not quite right with this Langyao vase. Can't put my finger on it but I am sure Xin and others will weigh in.
If you are buying said I would wait before purchasing.
Tam is correct. Xin did a week or two ago write about flambé and the difference between old and modern.
I did take notes of said blog by Xin, but as I am using a phone and as thus difficult to locate.
Mark
Hi Mark,
I may have had a go at buying it if someone had said it was 19th century but my instinct is that it’s modern. So it’s more an academic exercise following Xin’s Explanation and me testing my knowledge having read about monochromes.
To me, it’s pretty convincing as a provincial piece (except for the roughly finished foot), just wondered what others thought.
Thank you very much for the advice.
Nic
Dear all,
the pictures are not clear, but enough to exclude that it has a flambé glaze.
Due to the quality of the pictures, it is difficult to determine if it is langyao or a more standard copper red, but I think that all in all it is langyao by the color tone.
Also the correct shape is not seen in these pictures unfortunately, but it seems ok.
I believe that it is a 18th - early 19th century vase.
Reasons are:
The natural edge of the glaze at the foot. Under Kangxi, that edge is more well controlled while in the 19th century the glaze is much more running, completely covering the foot, and sticking on the floor, hence very rough or filed, together with the foot.
Here we see something in between. The glaze is more running than that of Kangxi ware, so we see some pooling at the edge. In two points, the pooling was excessive and the glaze did touch the floor.
I am convinced that the paste of the foot is very smooth and white, it is just dirty. Bad cutting, yes, but the quality of the paste is good. Not really evident in the blurred pictures, but the appearance is that one to me.
The not uniform density of the color too is pointing toward an old date.
Giovanni
Hi Giovanni,
that’s really interesting, thanks! So it may be worth going for if it’s reasonable. I’ll keep an eye on it. ?
Nic
Dear NMic,
which is the size? I think that it is not big, something around 24 cm may be?
Giovanni
Hi Giovanni,
It’s 22.5cm.
Nic
I was 7 percent wrong. Unforgivable! ?
Giovanni
Here is one of the previous discussions: https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/asian-art-currently-on-ebay/qing-dynasty-18th-19th-c-flambe-vases
~ Decorative Arts, Antiques and Accessories, at Mollari's ~ www.mollaris.com
Thanks Michael! I looked for a long time but couldn’t find it! It confirms, as Giovanni and Tam correctly pointed out, this vase is not Flambé!
Nic
Sorry, I had a long Christmas break.
I agree with your feeling/instinct Nic. Just from the glaze I can tell it's not old. The red colour is dirty and the glaze doesn't have a smooth surface like mirror. My feeling tells me, it's not right.
www.Wyssemaria-Art.com
[email protected]
Instagram: @wyssemaria_art
Latest Post: Mold seams/lines Our newest member: Karen Schneider Recent Posts Unread Posts
Thanks for visiting "The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art"
If you sell on eBay, or have a shop feel free to post images and descriptions and links.
Check back often for discussion about the latest news in the Chinese art and antique world. Also find out about the latest Asian art auctions at Sotheby's, Christie's, Bonhams and Tajans.
Auction results for: fine porcelain, ceramics, bronze, jade, textiles and scholar's objects. As well as Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese and other Asian cultures.
Thank you,
Peter Combs
Topics and categories on The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art
Kangxi vases, Kangxi dishes and chargers, Kangxi ritual pieces, Kangxi scholar's objects, Qianlong famille rose, Qianlong enamels, Qianlong period paintings, Qianlong Emporer's court, Fine porcelain of the Yongzheng period. Chinese imperial art, Ming porcelain including Jiajing, Wanli, Xuande, Chenghua as well as Ming jades and bronzes.
Join the BidAmount Chinese and Asian art discussion board and forum today
The BidAmount Asian Art Forum | Chinese Art
A free Asian art discussion board and Asian art message board for dealers and collectors of art and antiques from China, Japan, Korea, Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam and the rest of Asia. Linked to all of the BidAmount Asian art reference areas, with videos from plcombs Asian Art and Bidamount on YouTube. Sign up also for the weekly BidAmount newsletter and catalogs of active eBay listing of Chinese porcelain, bronze, jades, robes, and paintings.
The art of calligraphy - and for the ancient Chinese it certainly was an art - aimed to demonstrate superior control and skill using brush and ink. Calligraphy established itself as one of the major Chinese art forms during the Han dynasty (206 BCE - 220 CE), and for two millennia after, all educated men were expected to be proficient at it.
The Museum’s collections of Asian art span nearly five millennia and encompass the cultures of China, the Himalayas, India, Japan, Korea, and Southeast Asia. In 2007, the Museum launched an initiative to create dedicated galleries for the collection, beginning with a gallery for the arts of Korea ...
Chinese art is full of symbolism, in that artists typically seek to depict some aspect of a totality of which they are intuitively aware.
China Online Museum is the finest online museum of Chinese art. It features Chinese calligraphy, painting, ceramics, bronzes, carving, and other artworks.
Chinese Ceramics & Works of Art. Overview Upcoming auctions Contacts Auction results ... Christie’s sales of Chinese ceramics and works of art showcase centuries of Chinese history. Held throughout the year in London, New York, Paris and Hong Kong, they attract a wide audience of collectors and connoisseurs vying for pieces as diverse as ...
Explore Asian Art Week. Contact the Specialist Department. Chinese Paintings ... Senior Specialist, Head of Sale. [email protected]. Tel:+1 212 641 5760. Bid in-person or online for the upcoming auction:Fine Chinese Paintings on 10 September 2019 at New York. Bid in-person or online for the upcoming auction:Fine Chinese Paintings on 10 ...
Discover an abundance of must-see art from all corners of a vast continent at Christie’s NY Asian Art Week. From contemporary classical and Chinese paintings to works with exemplary provenance from the Art Institute of Chicago, our Rockefeller Paza galleries will be full of ancient treasures and contemporary masterworks in a salute to the vibrant arts of Asia.
Sold to benefit The Art Institute of Chicago’s Asian Art Acquisition Fund, the sale features 84 lots with a focus on Ming and Qing porcelains, and offers a rare insight into the taste for collecting Chinese ceramics and works of art in the Midwest from the end of the 19th century through the 1980s. Highlights include two Wanli wucai garlic-head vases, a Qianlong mark and period, blue and ...
Specialist, Chinese Paintings, Christie's London Dr Malcolm McNeill is a Specialist in Chinese Paintings at Christie’s, based in London. He previously worked as an assistant curator of the Chinese collections and the Victoria and Albert Museum in London, as a researcher at the British Museum, and as a translator and tour guide at the National Palace Museum in Taipei.
The Christie's Education 2020 Conference: The Chinese Art Market 18 Jun 2019 Christie’s Education is delighted to announce our first international academic conference in Asia which will take place in Hong Kong from 26-27 November 2020 at the Hong Kong Convention and Exhibition Centre and will run in parallel with Christie’s Hong Kong Autumn Auctions.
The summer Chinese Art sale in Hong Kong will feature works of art from several private collections, including Qing porcelains and textile from the collection of the legendary Chinese art dealer A. W. Bahr (1877–1959), fine gilt bronze Buddhist sculptures from an old Hong Kong collection, an East Asian collection of Qing dynasty wine cups and jades, and a Japanese collection of Song ceramics ...
Sotheby's Chinese Works of Art Department holds two auctions each year in London, New York, Hong Kong and Paris.
Chinese Art - View Auction details, bid, buy and collect the various artworks at Sothebys Art Auction House.
With more than 340 Chinese works of art dating from the Neolithic to the Republic periods, highlights of this sale include a selection of Qing Imperial monochromes from the collection of Arnold and Blema Steinberg, early ceramics from the Art Institute of Chicago and Chinese porcelain and works of art from the collection of Henry Arnhold.
Results: Sotheby's Asia Week achieved $52.4 million in six strong auctions, exceeding pre-sale estimates. With 76.5% of lots sold and 60.3% of lots surpassing high estimates, the Asian art sales at Sotheby's indicate continued collector interest in the finest works of art from China, India and and the Himalayas.
Today's sale of Important Chinese Art will proceed as planned with sessions at 10 AM and 2 PM EDT. Sotheby's will be monitoring the weather conditions throughout the day and will be available to coordinate alternative bidding options should conditions make it difficult for clients to attend the auction in person.
Bonhams Chinese Art department is renowned for offering the finest works of art representing the richness and breadth of China's artistic heritage, particularly Imperial porcelain, white and spinach green jades, cloisonné and Buddhist art. Specialised international auctions are held globally, including London, Hong Kong and San Francisco.
Bonhams : Chinese Works of Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. Please refer to our privacy and cookie policies for more information.
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars. We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. ... Chinese Art (US) General enquiries
Bonhams : Fine Chinese Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. Please refer to our privacy and cookie policies for more information.
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars Bonhams : Asian Art We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site.
Bonhams are international auctioneers of fine Chinese and Japanese art. We specialise in rare Imperial and Export Chinese ceramics and works of art, as well as Japanese ceramics, fine and decorative works of art from the Neolithic Period to the 20th century. View on map
Bonhams Fine Art Auctioneers & Valuers: auctioneers of art, pictures, collectables and motor cars. We use cookies to remember choices you make on functionality and personal features to enhance your experience to our site. By continuing to use our site you consent to the use of cookies. ... Asian Art Bonhams. Work. 22 Queen St.