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Hi everyone,
I’ve looked everywhere for the discussion on Telling the difference between Flambé and oxblood glaze. I couldn’t find it so I thought I’d ask in a new post.
Is this Flambé?
The glaze overrun on the foot hasn't been ground, does that mean it’s provincial?
Is the glaze too shiny? I’ve read somewhere that a glaze that is very shiny on Flambé can indicate a Late 20th century fake.
Any other info would be greatly appreciated... including whether you think it is genuine or a fake!
Nic
Looks like a nice early one to me .
I thought maybe first half of 19th century if genuine.
Is it Flambé or Langyao or something else?
I believe Xin gave an explanation of the difference between flambe and ox-blood glazes on another recent thread - I think flambe tries to imitate jun glazes and combines blue and red tones, so your looks more like ox blood.
From the foot and base , I would guess this is later than C19th, maybe early C20th? The underlying porcelain looks grey or yellow-ish , the foot is roughly cut and the glaze over-runs are cut off very roughly. I would expect an earlier piece to have an whiter unglazed base. Also the shape of the vase is not very fine. .........Just my thoughts.
tam
That’s great, thanks Tam. I thought the foot was a bit rough too. I also thought the glaze to the inside of the foot was often crackled, this one isn’t as far as I can see. However I did think the colour of the body could be OK, that they were often red or greyish white?
Nic
Hi Nic,
Sorry there is something not quite right with this Langyao vase. Can't put my finger on it but I am sure Xin and others will weigh in.
If you are buying said I would wait before purchasing.
Tam is correct. Xin did a week or two ago write about flambé and the difference between old and modern.
I did take notes of said blog by Xin, but as I am using a phone and as thus difficult to locate.
Mark
Hi Mark,
I may have had a go at buying it if someone had said it was 19th century but my instinct is that it’s modern. So it’s more an academic exercise following Xin’s Explanation and me testing my knowledge having read about monochromes.
To me, it’s pretty convincing as a provincial piece (except for the roughly finished foot), just wondered what others thought.
Thank you very much for the advice.
Nic
Dear all,
the pictures are not clear, but enough to exclude that it has a flambé glaze.
Due to the quality of the pictures, it is difficult to determine if it is langyao or a more standard copper red, but I think that all in all it is langyao by the color tone.
Also the correct shape is not seen in these pictures unfortunately, but it seems ok.
I believe that it is a 18th - early 19th century vase.
Reasons are:
The natural edge of the glaze at the foot. Under Kangxi, that edge is more well controlled while in the 19th century the glaze is much more running, completely covering the foot, and sticking on the floor, hence very rough or filed, together with the foot.
Here we see something in between. The glaze is more running than that of Kangxi ware, so we see some pooling at the edge. In two points, the pooling was excessive and the glaze did touch the floor.
I am convinced that the paste of the foot is very smooth and white, it is just dirty. Bad cutting, yes, but the quality of the paste is good. Not really evident in the blurred pictures, but the appearance is that one to me.
The not uniform density of the color too is pointing toward an old date.
Giovanni
Hi Giovanni,
that’s really interesting, thanks! So it may be worth going for if it’s reasonable. I’ll keep an eye on it. ?
Nic
Dear NMic,
which is the size? I think that it is not big, something around 24 cm may be?
Giovanni
Hi Giovanni,
It’s 22.5cm.
Nic
I was 7 percent wrong. Unforgivable! ?
Giovanni
Here is one of the previous discussions: https://bidamount.com/the-bidamount-asian-art-forum/asian-art-currently-on-ebay/qing-dynasty-18th-19th-c-flambe-vases
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Thanks Michael! I looked for a long time but couldn’t find it! It confirms, as Giovanni and Tam correctly pointed out, this vase is not Flambé!
Nic
Sorry, I had a long Christmas break.
I agree with your feeling/instinct Nic. Just from the glaze I can tell it's not old. The red colour is dirty and the glaze doesn't have a smooth surface like mirror. My feeling tells me, it's not right.
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