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This vase came with 18th century candelabra from the same home. It has been drilled when it was lamped but two corners are still visible near the hole to help determine mark. Also there is a couple marks next to the hole. See pics.
I misspelled vase. It's base not case.
It is not 18th century.
It is at best circa 1920 if not later, hence the term 'CHINA' mark.
it's famille rose , because of the use of pink enamels.
tam
In the early nineteen hundreds electricity became popular and people needed vases for lamps so they took antique vases and made them into lamps. This one guy at an auction house I've been going to for the last 15 years contacted his Chinese expert in China that expert said it's 18th century the China may have been written on there when they drilled the lamp at the bottom I'm having more people look at it but all indications are it's from the late 1700s it's famille Rose I found out I would like for Peter Combs to look at it. it's from this same period as the picture I just loaded. Same design. Manufacturers also in antique periods sometimes marked country of origin. In 1936 it was made mandatory.
If you and your Chinese expert thinks it is genuine then offer it too them for sale.
I only know that it came with other 18th century antiques. Just need an expert to help confirm. I appreciate everyone's input. We're here to learn and help others understand.
If you look carefully where they drilled the hole , the mark they obscured also says CHINA in red. This mark only appears after about 1895. But in any case the vase does not have the same quality , of construction or painting , as C18th examples. I would say 1910-20 is about right.
tam
It didn't day China where they drilled the hole it's clearly a makers mark not China. I wish they didn't drill it. There's several marks to the side of the hole.
The mark to the side is just a number - 19
The red mark is clearly in Latin script and not a chinese character, and i don't see what else it could be but CHINA
tam
I agree with them, too.
Please look at the way your vase is decorated; the style is not the same as the vase you are referencing. The colours are wrong and so are the flowers. Yours looks very "chintzy" and if this was made for export that kind of style would fit the date you have been given by Tam.
Best wishes,
Julia
Agree with Julia, the flowers don't look Qianlong. They wouldn't paint only the outlines of the flowers.
Birgit
Hi everyone, just looking around to be of assistance. It's great when pieces are marked with China or made in Chine because there are pretty widely accepted hard and fast rules of when these ceramics were made and exported. All this information can also be found on the Goethborg.com site, hope peter does not mind me plugging JE, any who, China was marked on exports, not necessary for ceramics for the local markets, beginning in I believe 1890 or so and then I think it was the Taft tarriff act the required them to print made in before country of orign in english. This lovely famille rose vase would have been made and exported between 1890 and 1920. The vase is likely first decade of the Republic period and slightly valuable. I have a slab constructed or cong form vase from the same period and it's amazing. Look to the ripples in the paste, roughly levigated, and appealing to my eyes. The levigation itself helps date it. They try and copy these but cannot get the ripply levigation down. Hope this info helps.
JC
Thank you for your info always appreciated.
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