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Late Ming to maybe Kangxi bowle with lid still life painting for your viewing.
i was researching a very Victorian mounted nautilus shell I just bought and came across this still life painting by a fellow named Willem Kalf painted in 1662.
what caught my eye (other than the shell) was bowle! In particular the figures standing proud of the bowle. I thought that interesting as I have never seen such a bowle. Has any one seen such a bowle? Museum or high end collection maybe?
Just thought some of you might be interested.
I'm interested. I always enjoy looking for Chinese items, or anything else interesting that people decorated their houses with, in old paintings. I imagine the little figurines mounted around the outside are metal and may have been done locally? I like the way you can see the unglazed inner rim where the lid sits.
I wonder what happened to the bowl.
Hi Ronm -
Very interesting - like Julia, I always look to see what for Chinese objects are included in old paintings ...
Many Dutch 17th century still life paintings included Chinese kraak wares, usually bowls or dishes, but the bowl/lid shown here is rather different - just wondering if it's possible a Delft piece ..?!
Stuart
Julia, Stuart, yes it is an interesting bowle, it could be very well be Delft notice the flare out at the base, I don’t believe that’s a Chinese way of doing the foot. Julia, on a closer second look it does look to have a mounting, notice the metallic looking ring going back from the figures.
Yes lots of still life paintings from this period have Chinese porcelains, at the time they were exotic items. The nautilus has a common theme, Poseidon standing on the head of sea monster, I have seen it in several paintings by different artists many still exist in museums.
the whole composition has exotic far and near east items, the orange would have been as rare as the shell, The Turkish rug, and the Chinese influenced bowle, there appears to be a ruby coloured vase further back, hard to tell the design influence of that. All of the items would have been expensive items at the time. And could that peice of fruit be a pomegranate from from northern Persia?
I didn’t realize it at first glance but you’re right, Ron. It’s a painting full of luxurious items. In the bowl there’s a silver spoon and most probably sugar, which was also expensive at the time.
Birgit
Apparently, "Kalf was the leading still-life painter in Holland in the mid-17th century. His mature still-life works are of a type called 'Pronkstilleven' in Dutch, meaning 'ostentatious still life' and referring to the display of lavish man-made objects." Obviously the fruit and sugar isn't man-made but they were still luxury objects requiring expense and human endeavor to appear in Holland.
Amazing how the painting shows how the wider world comes together in 17th c Holland. Thinking of the origins of these items (could the marble be Italian?) it says a lot about the demand for luxury items and the advanced systems of trade that brought them there. Quite fascinating!
Here is an interesting article regarding Dutch "Pronkstilleven" (ostentatious) still life painting and Chinese (Kraak) porcelain.
Julia, yes a little bit of ’time standing still’ and what was desirable for those with the means. If you take the time to look at these type of pictures a lot can be gleaned.
Stuart, the bowle being Delft would make sense given the dates, a Chinese design on a European shape, were the Delft potters copying Chinese shapes by the mid seventeen hundreds, I don’t know.
Kaolin, what great article, very in-depth about the influence of the VOC and the changing societal changes it brought. Interesting the interpretation of the last painting of the maiden and the symbolism tells a story beyond the focus of the image.
Also of interest, the painting of the black fellow. My first thought was a wealthy descendant of moorish Spain, not of an African servant seen as chattel at that time.
Great article, Kaolin; thanks for sharing!
Very interesting article Kaolin, thanks for posting ...
I recall seeing the great collection of such paintings in the Rijksmuseum, Amsterdam - rather fascinating to see, and to try and distinguish the ceramics within such ...
Stuart
Hi Ronm -
I thought you might like to see this ...
Whilst searching for something completely different, I come across this piece, sold The Falk Coll 1, Lot 148, Christie’s NY, 16 October 2001, for $30,550 - Est $10-15,000.
It compares very well to the piece depicted in painting by Kalk, which is cited in the accompanying catalogue essay on this piece.
My idea that the object may have been Delft is probably wrong, although I understand copies of this type were made in Holland ...
Stuart
It is definitely a Chinese piece,Delft Pottery simply could not make the figures applied to the Bowl.
Such detail is absolutely stunning.
This is a Dutch Delft Bowl,the tones of blue and style of decoration is that of Transitional ware.
My piece dates to circa 1680.
I love Delft,others see it as poor imitation.
Stuart, that’s great bit of research, the bowl is almost exactly the same except for the enamelled figures in the painting. That could just be a bit of artistic licence though. Now every one here on the forum will be on the look out.
Shine, your Delft bowl, the figures have an almost Japanese feel in there execution, at least to my uneducated eye. I don’t think it’s a poor cousin to Chinese, there is lots to learn and know when dealing with Delft, both Dutch and the English versions. Which do you prefer? I understand Delft also has lot of fakes out there or at the least imitations.
Just a little smarter now.
Hi Ron,there are quite a few 19th c fakes made and especially sold from a few French sellers.
I prefer English tinglaze ware,more spontaneous and childlike/naive in their execution.
Dutch delft decorators were members of a Guild in their local town,generally The Guild of St. Luke and trained to a high standard.
I have more Dutch than English pieces and lean more to the English pieces.
Vic
P.s Dutch paintings of the 17th century,especially the interiors are my favourite style.
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