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it's way out of my price range. But I just wanted to see if you guys have some insights on that blue/white table surface. My thought was "wow is that suppose to be marble? or maybe a table top made entirely of ceramic?" or it's not suppose to be realistic?? But other things in the scene all look super realistic. like the drapes in the back. All super detailed. I really love how it looks!
Hi Ang P,
It's a ceramic plaque that would have been hung on the wall. Very popular during the later part of the 19th century through to the republican period.
It's nicely framed but I am not sure it's from the 19th century century. Perhaps others can offer their thoughts on the period.
I have a few of these in various sizes all from the Republic period if you would like to see.
Mark
@imperialfinegems what do you think of the table surface? is there such furniture with blue and white table surface? thanks.
Hi Ang P,
I only see the plaque. I see no table surface.
They did make some tables with porcelain inserts if that's what your asking.
Mark
@imperialfinegems ohh thanks! yes, lol I was just wondering if the table in the plaque is possible or imaginative
@Ang P,
Oh now I understand your question.
I think it's probably real but I don't know exactly what's going on with this painting. It's obviously on a strange angle versus the rest of the work. That is why I questioned whether it's a 19th century or possibly a modern copy. Very odd!
Others like Birgit and George should be able to offer an opinion as to its period. Personally I think it is a modern copy. Nicely done though but very expensive if it's modern interpretation.
Mark
I suppose it could be depicting ceramic tiles, using kind of like a cracked ice approach, but mimicking natural stone shapes. That's my best guess, but you're right, it is a very interesting looking table and would be interesting to know if one existed today somewhere and if anyone has a picture of the real thing?
Hi Mark, I’m glad that I’m not the only one who has some doubts. We know that the Chinese didn’t master perspective painting until c. 1930, but in this case the distortion of the table looks exaggerated. Also the faces look wrong, especially the mouths that should be a line with a dot below. The general facial expression also looks somehow wrong to me. But the plate is painted with great care, and should we doubt something offered by Rob Michiels?
Birgit
It's certainly a strange one. When I first looked at it I had to clean my glasses. I thought I was seeing things!🤓
I agree with you that the faces are done in a odd way. Even the way it's all portrayed is very strange. No flow or meaning. But it's well done.
Whilst I have the utmost respect for Rob's site. He does put in a lot of work to try and get things right etc with fantastic pictures also. He does his best to provide accurate descriptions etc. However......
I have noticed in some of his past sales that porcelain plaques attributed to the republican masters were in fact modern copies.
My feeling is without seeing the back of the plaque that this particular lot was a modern interpretation. There appears from the images to have absolutely no wear at all which would be highly unlikely.
Mark
Even the items on the table don't make sense. There is a sort of odd brush stand (red) . An odd wrist rest stand along with a ink stand. Finally a candle stand or something like that in the corner. These are typically scholars objects that are placed on a table in a certain way. Not like this!
And what is with the woman with a hat in hand.
The whole scene doesn't make sense at all. It's jumbled. Suggests to me it's a modern copy where the painter has used various images from different paintings.
The table does look like a porcelain top of sorts.
Mark
It’s not a woman, it’s a young man with a crown-like hat on his head. You’re right, the whole thing makes no sense. The painter even managed to enclose some waves in a window or picture on the left side. It’s like a collection of as many Guangxu themes as possible and a display of masterful painting but has no meaning.
Birgit
@imperialfinegems it seems like his 2 attendants always go with him to places. perhaps? I found this image from the Met：
LOL now I just realized that the cluster of items on the bottom left. The plant stand's bottom tier... seem to be the same material as the table? that blue/white marble look. 😀
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