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Hello All
I am not sure if all of the members of this forum in other countries will be able to watch the BBC iPlayer, but this Sunday's Antiques Roadshow in the UK featured an Imperial Qianlong Moon Flask with five clawed dragon decoration. I still have a lot to learn about Qing porcelain, as I thought that the drawing of the dragon's claws, the bats and the crests of the waves did not seem quite right, but their expert was convinced that it was a rejected Imperial piece due to the significant firing crack on the base, so my observations were obviously incorrect. It certainly had a grubby looking foot and could have done with a good clean.
Kind regards,
Jeremy
Hey Jeremy,
I had seen about that... glad you did too!
(From what I remember) I think they said the outlines were finished separately from the shadings/fillings, which were completed at a later date.
Could explain the appearance varying from what we normally might otherwise expect..?
I tend to not look at such amazing things very often however; so I’m not exactly a definitive basis of merited opinion 🤣
-JRN
Interesting views etc.
I have not seen this episode yet as it's not available in Australia streaming service.
My understanding is that any and all imperial wares that were not up to scratch were immediately destroyed without exception!
And a grubby foot..... Well... 🤔
Mark
@imperialfinegems yeah, I feel no one would have been allowed to have imperial ware even if it's not up to par. emperor wouldn't even allow anyone else to have a yellow colored roof, lol hard to imagine anyone would be allowed to have his porcelain 🤣
Hello Mark
Below are a few screen shots as you are unable to watch the program.
Kind regards,
Jeremy
@jeremy thank you since iam also unable to watch this program ...however theres a youtube channel who has even the old series of the Antiques Road Show i think it going back to the Early 80s . Judging by the Hairstile and clothing the early 60s...so British i love it.
But Back to the moon Flask the Dragon is fantastic Quality however it raises a few Questions . Why has it no underglaze seal mark.
and the bats uhhh not good. what whas the experts conclusion on this. mine is FAKE . run for youre life
I completely concur with Martin. In addition the waves look stiffly portrayed. The footrim is awful. And that's without seeing the rest of it.
Who was the expert who viewed this if you don't mind me asking?
But who am I to question them.... 🤔...... I am nobody! 😊
Mark
Hello Mark
The expert is Alexandra Aguilar. She is quite a new expert on the series, but I believe that Mr Tharp is still in some episodes.
Kind regards,
Jeremy
Hard to imagine David Battie or John Axford giving the thumbs up on this piece.
After quickly researching her. She works along with John Axford at Woolley and Wallis auctions. Head of the Japanese section. Joined AR a few years ago. Interesting.
Really would like to view the segment. What's the date and series number etc?
We do have AR (via ABC) in Australia but I think it is delayed by many months etc. Actually haven't seen it for a while. 🤔
Mark
Hello Vic
Although I would have thought that an underglazed blue reign mark would have been applied at the same time as the other decoration, I don't know enough about Qing porcelain, and especially Imperial pieces, and so perhaps overglazed marks may have also been applied to Imperial porcelain.
I think that I will stick to affordable Ming and early monochrome ceramics and avoid Qing pieces.
Kind regards,
Jeremy
Hi all,
Here is a link to the show for those not in the UK:
Thanks for posting this Jeremy. It's very interesting.
Kindly,
John
Thanks John for the link.
I must say the dragon is superbly done and the size is massive.
I really don't know. The fact remains that any and all imperial porcelain that was defective was automatically destroyed. So how did this monster escape destruction?
It's all very interesting.
Mark
Maybe someone snuck it out when Tang Ying wasn't looking!
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