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I believe everyone bought fake sometimes in his career of collection. To prevent further buying fakes, we need to improve our knowledge, but we also need a honest seller’s market. As everyone knows, There are millions of fakes in Ebay and LiveAuctioneers. Many of the sellers intentionally list fakes as authentic ones with well-known antique store’s labels, old purchase invoices, provenance information, etc. But their only purpose is to cheat buyers. Some of their fakes sold for tons of of money. it happens everyday in LiveAuctioneers. I couple of years ago, I called LiveAuctioneers and asked them to allow buyers to refund the fakes, or at least to have a place to allow buyers to comment the sellers, but I was rejected. So, I do not buy anymore from LiveAuctioneers.
Today, I bring up this topic and see if any of you have good idea to stop it, or at least let more collectors know about those fake sellers, especially those big sellers.
Thanks
Charles
Cj
I would suggest a few basics and rules.
1. RARE real things we're rare 40 years ago. They haven't suddenly become more plentiful, though you would never know it by what you see on Live Auctioneers.
2. Things like Qianlong Moon Flasks and Yuan vases DO NOT EVER appear at small American auction houses. The chances are 99.999999% against it.
3. ALWAYS Check regional Auction houses' PAST Sales, if they seem to have a near continuous flow of incredible looking things you can rest assured they sell fakes and do not care.
4. If you find you are trying to convince yourself a piece is real at a very modest price, opening bid or with silly low estimates..run for your life.
5. In the internet age, with thousands of savvy internet hunters/buyers in Asia scouring every single auction in the world the likelihood of a real piece slipping through the cracks is unlikely as a sunrise at midnight at the equator.
6. There is no Santa Clause in the Asian art market.
Rely on folks who really know what they are doing, in the entire US only 5 auction houses have anyone who actually knows about Chinese art and antiques. They are Bonhams, Christie's, Sotheby's, Doyle NY, Freeman. The rest know little to nothing.
As for buying on eBay, it can be done safely. Which is why each week we put together the Weekly News Letter, everything we post there is we think ok. We hand pick each piece and often comment on our thoughts.
Peter
Peter
Thank you Peter for sharing these wise words! Everyone should print this out and pin it to his computer.
Birgit
Peter,
Good suggestions. Ebay has buyer’s protection policy and buyers can return fakes if they realize it after receive, but in LiveAuctioneers, buyer can do nothing. I went to a local auction house last summer, they listed an Arabia words big jar with Ming Zhen De mark, accompanied it was an old receipt of a well-known London antiques store dated to 1967. It looks so great and real if you just see the photos. The estimate price was $30,000 to $50,000, and sold to the high end estimate. When checking it, a strong acid came to my nose. I am pretty sure the auctioneer/owner knew what he was selling. His eye touch with me told everything. But it is very tough for internet buyers to know it is fakes. Modern technology of fake cheats even experienced experts.
thanks
Charles
Cj
Hi,
Old tags and receipts mean nothing, heres a post we did last year on this kind of thing.
You can also search the site for similar blogs on FAKES, but using the "SEARCH" block
in the upper right of each page.
Peter
Fabulous! Peter!
Money, money... money
The problem of course is MONEY - As per Peter's post on Japanese items, most people are buying items purely to make money, not for the emotional connection to the artifacts. - Is this wrong? I say, no. Is it right, I say... no.
Whether we like it of not there is an intrinsic link between art and money, it is after all a commodity and in this sense no different to stocks, shares, gold or Bitcoins. - The problem is that it is harder to fake the others.
Profits and taxes are generated from the buying and selling of genuine or fake items, it doesn't matter which. Therefore big business and the governments of the world do not really care about this issue.
The good news is that the web exists and information can be made available to those that want to find it... Obviously, the web is controlled by regional powers, but on the whole the masses with internet access can be educated. - Peter and his team just needs to keep creating quality content ?
Hi,
Old tags and receipts mean nothing, heres a post we did last year on this kind of thing.
You can also search the site for similar blogs on FAKES, but using the "SEARCH" block
in the upper right of each page.
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