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Bowl is 12 inches wide and 5 inches High, so a good size.
Large Antique Chinese Export Porcelain Punch Bowl Damaged
I got into a bidding war on ebay for this bowl. I always wonder how far i should go. It is damaged and AF, you can see the extent of the damage in the end picture. It doesn't bother me too much as i wanted it for keeps. However ..how far would you have gone. I was the highest bidder at £25 until the last minute and then 3 of us battled it out and then it was just 2 of us and i chased him and let him take it at £42, ,my last and final bid was £39 and stopped by the clock and the other bidder grabbed it and ran, didn't look back. Should I have dropped a big £60 on it as i think that would have gotten it.
I think your bid was high enough given the substantial damage.
Mark
I think your bid was high enough given the substantial damage.
Mark
Thanks Mark,
I am not sure, the better quality Mandarin are hard to find and are usually extremely expensive when this size. Would it be worth it at £50 for example.
A few pounds here or there is basically the same give or take.
If you really liked it then 50 is OK.
I am lucky if I get 10% of my bids that are winners.
Mark
damaged pretty bad. on peter's list, we occasional see these, and they are in better conditions... I guess not bad if it is dirt cheap?!
damaged pretty bad. on peter's list, we occasional see these, and they are in better conditions... I guess not bad if it is dirt cheap?!
Huey
I am guessing you are in USA. You guys are very lucky, you see Antiques sell for peanuts over there. I saw a handmade 19th century Belgian Tapestry sell for $7. It was quite an impressive one. I always see lovely items go for good prices in USA. I think Ebay is not the premium for Antiques and or there are other Markets that leaves it sometimes lacking the right bidders at the right time.
You have craigslist and so forth.
This is a lovely bowl. However, I personally would never buy something with this degree of damage. I also wonder whether this is a Chinese export bowl or Chinoiserie manufactured in the UK. I have a bowl with a similar color palette but a different pattern ("Boy in the window pattern") manufactured by the long-closed New Hall Porcelain works in the UK and probably manufactured around 1805. I was struck by the similarities. (see link) https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/tennants-auctioneers/catalogue-id-srten10112/lot-94f9af17-e0e2-4ba3-8d3b-a442003ba3b1 .
I'm also attaching a couple of photographs of my bowl which is in perfect condition and which I bought about 25 years ago. I have often wondered whether many eBay items described as Chinese Export are not really Chinoiserie manufactured in the UK or whether they originated from the famous Edme Samson factory in France although the latter usually have distinctive marks. A thread on this topic on the forums would be quite valuable, but would require expertise that I lack. How does one make the distinction especially since Chinese Export porcelains sell at a significantly higher price than even the best English and French Chinoiserie?
If you really liked the bowl and could tolerate the damage I think it was worth the amount it sold for.
Regards,
Errol
Hi Short Dong,
the bowl you show is a very typical Mandarin bowl from 1760-80. This is a beautifully painted example, better quality than most of them, unfortunately it is damaged. I personally would not buy it, because they turn up regularly in good condition (but of course are more expensive then). This is not a one of a kind piece like e.g. Julia's cow plate, that one would like to own even if broken. It is a mass item - if you pass it by, you will encounter one in better condition some months later.
Birgit
Dear Errol,
the only way to distinguish Chinese ware and European copies is to recognize the painting style.
There is not much to say in a dedicated thread, the style is recognizable after building up experience.
Once at that stage, Chinese originals and European copies are spotted instantly.
Giovanni
hi Short dong, I don't think chasing a bowl up to £40 counts as a war, more like a bidding scuffle! the bowl is nice and quite rare in this size but £40 is enough for it, and as others have said, this kind of mandarin decoration is very common and a better condition one will come along soon. If perfect, this one would be a lot more expensive, but you can find smaller items that are interesting and well-painted.
I agree with shinigami, unless you really like the pattern and are building a collection, go for good condition, or rarer items with unusual and interesting subjects (where the damage can be forgiven).
tam
Hi Errol
I also find the same problem as you describe, Newhall have some quite convincing copies, and to an amateur like me they are not always so easy to tell apart. I found other examples and using those i decided it was Chinese but the flower display on the inside made me stop and think. I can usually spot a newhall design from a chinese but sometimes it can be hard.
I agree with you guys about avoiding damaged pieces. This was a very well painted bowl, but i agree there will be more opportunities albeit at a higher price more than likely.
I agree. As far as Newhall is concerned, I think the give away is that the Chinese figures and faces have a more European look to them. The bowl you went to war over was obviously an 18th century Rose Mandarin bowl and the colors were simply wonderfully vivid. However, there are times when the distinction can be difficult. When I bought my Newhall bowl I knew it was not Chinese. I like it very much though.
I hope yousoon find a really nice Rose Mandarin punchbowl!
Regards,
Errol
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