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John Guerrero
 John Guerrero
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Topic starter 03/05/2022 6:05 pm  

Sometimes an item you find in a book or museum collection speaks to you so much that it lays the foundation for a long-term hunt for your own collection. I would like to share the first piece that I've hunted for, and I'd love to hear y'all's "hunt" stories!

One of the first books I bought on ceramics was "Japanese Export Ceramics 1860-1920" by Nancy Schiffer. It's basically a picture book of high-quality Japanese ceramics, but one piece caught my eye and fueled my own hunt - a "Kutani covered squid-shaped dish":

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I've been hunting for this piece ever since I started with the black ships, and it turns out - it wasn't a squid after all, but rather a bamboo shoot! The "tentacles" are actually roots, and the "mantle" is really comprised of overlapping sheaths and blades. It's especially fun that the bamboo motif is used throughout the piece including the bamboo handle and the painted bamboo on the lid. Although I wanted it mostly because I thought it was a squid, I think the reality was more artistic and interesting.

According to the Gotheborg glossary: "The bamboo symbolizes moral integrity, and is often particularly applied to the scholar, who may bend with the wind of adversity but who will never allow his principles to be broken." 

I like the symbolism because it resonates with where I'm at right now, and although it hasn't arrived yet, I am too excited to not share it. Here it is:

Bamboo 1
Bamboo 4
Bamboo 3
Bamboo 2
Bamboo 8
Bamboo 7
Bamboo 6
Bamboo 5

 

 


   
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Steve
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03/05/2022 6:21 pm  

Hi John,

Where did you find it? How long did it take to find one?


   
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John Guerrero
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Topic starter 03/05/2022 6:30 pm  

@steve 

Hey Steve! I found it on Catawiki just before it ended yesterday morning. My heart dropped while I was drinking coffee because my keyword searches didn't catch it. I've been looking for a little less than two years for one! 

 

 


   
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Steve
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03/05/2022 6:47 pm  

@bartholin Ah! What luck!

It definitely does not look like a squid, but to a westerner I can see how one wouldn't think of bamboo shoots either if unknown. 

It's got a lot of character and high quality enamals. I like the bamboo leaf handle on the lid. 


   
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John Guerrero
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Topic starter 03/05/2022 6:58 pm  

@steve

Thanks Steve 😀 I agree! I seldom check Catawiki, so that was very lucky.

I think it looks vaguely like a cuttlefish, so maybe Schiffer meant that instead of a squid, but more photos show it is clearly a bamboo shoot. It's pretty unforgivable in my case either way because all three are staples in my culture. I suppose I can blame tunnel-vision! 


   
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03/05/2022 8:14 pm  

@bartholin Congratulations, man!!! And I very much appreciate the symbolism as well. Cheers!


   
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Adams Asian Art
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03/05/2022 8:26 pm  

Hi John,

What luck my friend! 🤗

Its a exquisite piece of kutani ware. I have never seen one like this before. I wonder who the maker is?

Congratulations. 😁

Mark 

 


   
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John Guerrero
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Topic starter 03/05/2022 8:52 pm  

@johnshoe 

Thanks, John! 😀 It's definitely up there as one of my favorite finds so far. It's so exhilarating when you finally find something you've been searching for. I can't wait for it to come in. 

 


   
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John Guerrero
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Topic starter 03/05/2022 8:52 pm  

@imperialfinegems

Thank you so much, Mark! 😊 I agree! I love it! Other than the Schiffer book, I haven't seen another. The only one I've seen previously sold was one at Christie's in 1996, but there are no photos. 

I'm going to start looking into the maker once it arrives - the mark blurs too much when I zoom in, so I've been having trouble trying to find it. Neither the Christie's listing nor the Schiffer book mentions the mark. 


   
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Sharon P
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04/05/2022 12:43 am  

Must have been serendipity, perhaps it found you, congratulations John.


   
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Topic starter 04/05/2022 2:11 am  

Thank you, Sharon! 😊 


   
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04/05/2022 2:33 am  

Yes, it looks like a cuttle fish! What a fascinating piece. Really pleased for you and please post up more pics etc when you get it.


   
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04/05/2022 3:13 am  

@bartholin 

Hi John - 

Many congratulations on finding on finding and acquiring, you must be delighted😊...

'If something is meant to come to you - it will' ...

Stuart 


   
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Greeno107
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04/05/2022 8:21 am  

@bartholin You are the envy of every Kutani collector!
Sadly, since there’s only about 4 of us, that really doesn’t say a whole lot. 🤣 

Fantastic piece! Definitely would make it up on my Kutani shelf to be admired, and to gather dust - that piece is a lifetime keeper!


   
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William Huvar
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04/05/2022 10:40 am  

This is a getting older and retiring story.  Along with retirement, I was introduced to a new concept called a budget. Unfortunately collecting was not in the retirement budget.  Last year I received an unexpected inheritance that was not large enough to meaningfully affect my net worth so it wasn’t really needed for living expenses.  The prudent thing would be to invest the money for long term gain.  Instead, I decided the best course of action was to spend it on art & antiques!  I put together a list of items that I have wanted to possess for most of my collecting years.  It’s my bucket list of art & antiques.  Some are rather expensive, but others are not; their common denominator is each one has been in the back of my mind and never faded over the years.  The list is thirteen items with four that have been acquired (the garniture set was on the list).


   
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