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In the upcoming Rob Michiels sale there is being offered what seems to be a very rare octagonal bottle vase albeit with some damage,
Although they have dated it as being a Hongwu period piece, the decoration of the chrysanthemums and the scroll pattern look like those typical of Yuan dynasty blue and white ceramics. I know that the Hongwu period followed on from the Yuan, but I was wondering if there is a difference in value if a piece of blue and white decorated provincial porcelain is dated as being made during the Yuan or Hongwu dynasty?
Kind regards,
Jeremy
I have recently been searching online for examples of Yuan dynasty ceramics decorated with blue and white chrysanthemums and I have noticed that the flowers were painted with a single ring of blue and white petals joined to the cross hatched circular centre. Below is a link to a Yuan dynasty blue and white decoration jar in the British Museum,
https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/object/A_1972-1212-1
Whereas, I believe that chrysanthemum flowers on Hongwu pieces have a ring of small plain white petals edged in blue being joined to the centre and an additional outer ring of longer blue and white petals. Below is a good example sold by Sotheby's,
Not sure if my observation is correct, but if it is then perhaps the octagonal bottle vase may be older than described, but do Hongwu pieces bring more money than Yuan pieces?
Kind regards,
Jeremy
Hi Jeremy -
You are quite correct, the Rob Michaels damage vase is a known Yuan type, so not Hongwu ...
The attributed Hongwu yuhuchun pings are differing in shape and proportions, the compositions and decoration is very different, as is the cobalt tone, which usually displays a rather pale, greyish/slate blue tone ...
As to which is would be more expensive to acquire, Yuan yuhuchun-pings, although fairly rare, are rather more numerous then Hongwu examples, so the latter tend to fetch higher prices - although this is very dependent on condition and provenance, if any. Hongwu period wares, including such vases, decorated in underglazed red are far numerous then underglazed blue examples ...
Attached examples for comparison:-
1, Octagonal vase, Yuan dynasty, damaged, Topkal Saray, Istanbul - this is the closest match to the RM piece I could find ...
2, Octagonal vase, Yuan dynasty, H. 27.7 cm, Collection of De’an Country Museum, Jiangxi Province ...
3/4, Octagonal ewer, Yuan dynasty, H. 23.6 cm, excavated from a hoard at South Yonghua Road, Baoding, Hebei Province in 1964, now held in the Protection Centre for Cultural Relics in Hebei Province ...
5/6, Description and image of yuhuchun-ping, Hongwu period, Lot 1868, sold Christie’s HK 1 December 2009, for nearly £1.8m including premium ...
7, Vase decorated with lotus scrolls, Hongwu period, H. 32.2 cm, NPM, Taipei, Taiwan ...
Stuart
Hello Stuart
Thank you for this interesting and useful information. It will be interesting to see how the damage to this vase will affect the price.
Kind regards,
Jeremy
Hi Jeremy -
Just for reference, attached images showing a variety of designs found on this Yuan dynasty yuhuchun-pings ...
From ‘Exhibition of Blue and White Wares in Yuan Dynasty; 14th Century Ching-te Chen Wares, Museum of Oriental Ceramics, Osaka, Japan - I believe held in the mid 1980’s ...
Hello Stuart
Please may I ask if the exhibition showed any Yuan blue and white decoration jars?
Kind regards,
Jeremy
Hi Jeremy -
Apologise, just in from work ...
A number of the larger guans with various compositions, were exhibited, attach images of, but none of the smaller type, such as the those you cited in the British Museum ...
The best recent exhibition of such wares ‘Splendors in Smalt; Art of Yuan Blue-and-White Porcelain’, at the Shanghai Museum in 2012. This included the smaller jars, amongst much else ...
I was fortunate enough to view, some truly breathtaking pieces, and have the Ex catalogue ...
Stuart
Although the bidding for this vase did not run away, it did sell for just over the lower estimate. It would seem that the damage was outweighed by it's rarity.
Kind regards,
Jeremy
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