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BTW I am not a potter and have no experience on glazing/firing, but if I could venture an opinion, which may be wrong, the closer looking glaze that comes to my mind is Langyao (oxblood, sang de boeuf, call it as you wish).
That is a copper red, fluid glaze, applied on a transparent crackled one.
Many of those features we can see here, except the fact that some way of producing spots has been purposely placed, and thus fired in an oxidized atmosphere so that the copper glaze remained green.
Keep in mind that it is much easier to obtain the green than the red, in copper glazes.
On peachbloom glaze, the different colors are distributed in areas, depending on slight variations of temperature and atmosphere, while here we have purposely placed spots, not areas.
Giovanni
You may not be a potter, Giovanni, but you know a lot more than many of us. I read about the technical side of peach bloom glazes, very complicated and clearly it went right over my head as I thought maybe that might be a possible explanation. Thanks for telling us why it isn't.
I keep meaning to try to get a copy of Wood's book on glazes, I hear it is very good.
I’m sorry for the extended conversation. So would you call the vase in this photo sang de boeuf rather than peach bloom, Giovanni? My vase has two areas of reddish that is plainly seen, at the bottom and inside the mouth. And the greenish tint to the crackle glaze seen inside the foot rim like you mentioned.
And two more described as peach bloom. Guessing wrongly described.:)
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Giovanni@clayandbrush is quite correct, the glaze on your ‘gu’ shape vase is certainly not ‘peachbloom’ or indeed ‘egg and spinach’ type ...
Copper pigment is one of the most volatile and problematic colourants. It produces wide ranging variations in tones, depending on how applied and, most critically, the firing conditions, and it often produces disappointing, and therefore unsatisfactory, results ...
Attached images of five Kangxi mark and period wares showing such wide variations produced. The mottled copper-red glaze differs from piece to piece, like the natural colouration of Chinese peaches with a mottled skin that rang from pink to green ...
These five pieces were decommissioned from the Metropolitan Museum of Art, New York, and sold at Christie’s 15 September 2016, Lots 913/18 ...
In China this glaze is likened to apples (pingguo hong) or beans (fiangdou hong) ...
Stuart
Centralpottery, I did not say that your vase is a sang de boef type.
Please re-read. I said that there are some features that are related to that glaze, and I was referring to the crackled glaze underneath (nothing to do with that on the base, I was referring to the main glaze) and the type of running. And suggested that perhaps it is just matter of kiln conditions, the glaze did turn out green and not red either intentionally or not, it does not make difference.
What instead is intentional, and you continue not seeing, are the intentionally placed spots that produce that effect of running glaze around them. COMPLETELY different from what is seen on peachbloom glaze.
Do you see the same purposely placed spots on peachbloom? No.
Do you see that flooding on peachbloom? No
Do you see that cracquelure on peachbloom? No.
Do you see that evident whole green color on peachbloom? No.
You must also keep in mind that not everything written on internet is gold. Peachbloom glaze is that seen on the items shown by Stuart. There are many things on the net which are claimed to be peachbloom but they are not. It is a rare and sought-after glaze, and not seen on big sized items like your vase.
Giovanni
Sorry, my point was that it had to start out as being an attempt at something, whether Sang De Boeuf or something else. Right? There aren’t that many of my type around, so I just wonder what was being attempted. The pit of vases I showed earlier like mine were 4 1/2” and the next one I showed was 7” I believe. I guess I’ll just call it a mistake? Still, a mistake of what? I see what you are saying about peach bloom, for sure.
Dear CentralPApottery,
Let see if we can understand each other, maybe we are not understanding us correctly.
If I am not wrong, it seems to me that you think that the spots seen on your vase, which are highlighted here below, are part of the glaze, i.e. they are an intrinsic effect of a special glaze.
If that is what you think, it is not true. Those spots were deliberately placed by the potter, for obtaining the pattern that we see.
I do not know what they are, may be it is simply a sort of wax which is contrasting glaze adhesion to the body, I do not know, but for sure it is not a phenomenon associated to a particular kind of glaze.
Instead, the spots seen on peachbloom glaze are due to points where the transition from green to red is not uniform.
Regards,
Giovanni
Yes. Thanks. We are on the same page. I thought I would have to re-phrase what I meant as soon as I sent it. Very good. So it seems the vase is late 19th century IMHO and there are other similar spots on vases like mine, though only about 10 found. So, in my thinking, someone 100 years ago or so did this on purpose on these vases. I, of course, could be wrong. Others seem to feel their vases have that kind of age, even though they mis-labeled them as peach bloom or something else. I guess someone liked the look of a transmutation or flambé glaze they saw and figured how to purposefully make them similar. Maybe? Anyway, thanks Giovanni and everyone for your help. It’s a cool looking vase and I do believe it’s of Chinese origin.
Here is a similar glaze with the purposeful dots. Anyone seen it? I’m thinking of calling it a Langyao variant. Reasonable?
And another with just a few of the dots, a light and a few dark.
And this is what they called it, even though, as you say, it’s not. Crazy that almost everyone has called it that. Guess they didn’t know what to call it and just followed what they saw someone else call it. I’m going with Langyao variant until I learn differently. Thanks again all.
The second one, the water pot, IS peachbloom glaze.
The first one, regardless the type of glaze, has a similar effect of what seen on your vase.
It seems that you didn't get the difference yet.
Regards,
Giovanni
Wow! You are right Giovanni, I am unsure. Stuart’s peach bloom examples, other than the third maybe, look much different than the water jar. Does the water jar not have a light spot and a couple of the dark spots? Confusing. Like I said, I’ll stick with mine as a Langyao variant.
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