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I have done my research and I am pretty sure this is 19th C with a Qianlong mark. I was lucky to find a nearly identical piece for reference (link attached) for what appears to be from the same workshop. Can someone please verify my findings? I am also concerned that due to this piece being lamped at some point it will affect the value.
Thank you for your time!
Jon
http://www.chineseartinscotland.co.uk/a-magnificent-19th-century-famille-verte-vase/
Jon
Dear Jon,
You've done a thorough job with your research. The vase in Scotland does indeed have many points of resemblance to your own.
I wonder, however, why the Scottish sellers estimate their vase as Tongzhi period. To my eye, it looks a little later than that.
Unfortunately, you are right, the drilled base will affect value.
Alan
Thank you for the swift reply Alan. I am completely out of my depth (for now at least 😉 when it comes to dating pieces so I have great respect for the opinions of members such as yourself.
In my research, I found examples of similarly styled (reticulated, square, trumpet neck, Qianlong mark) pieces and most sold under $1000.00 where as the Art in Scotland piece is marketed for a hefty £7,850. Perhaps I'll reach out to Mr. Harris and see what lead him to the Tongzhi conclusion.
Best regards,
Jon
Jon
Dear Jon,
£7,850 is indeed a big ask, but then, that's retail, and retailers have to make their living.
Personally, I wouldn't be tempted at all by a price like that. But who knows, someone might fork out, as the Scottish seller obviously hopes they will.
Alan
Hello , Jon
Im with Alan to me your vase is older than that give me some time and I'll
let you know for sure.John
Thank you John, I look forward to your research!
Jon
It is a beautiful vase, The Scottish one is in very good condition. Quite a find Jonathan.
Somehow I can't get rid of the impression that the black color background was added later to make it look famille noire. But I might be wrong with that.
Birgit
Thanks Short Dong,
Weird story as to how I got it: I was bidding on it at an auction and there was this lady that kept bidding me, and everyone up on most all the lots! Needless to say there were some ticked off people as it just appeared she just wanted to win and had no desire or love for the pieces bid on. Frustrating to say the least!
So, long story short, I lost the bid and gave up. A few weeks later I was at the auction house and the auctioneer (who is a friend of mine) gives me the vase! I was flabbergasted and asked how he got it back; turns out the lady was afflicted with something like Alzheimer's and refused to pay for anything and denied bidding. Funny, but sad in that she used to be a highly respected dealer but now no longer can attend auctions or transact business.
Moral of the story, be nice to your auctioneers, make them your friends, and you never know what you might get 😉
Jon
Jon
Uggg! I typed in a long reply to you John but I guess I forgot to save it. I'm out of time now but wanted to let you know how much I appreciate your (and all the others) help! I'll follow up with my thoughts I lost later tonight 😉
Jon
In follow up to my last post I was going to mention that the neck of this vase seems to have little glaze on it so I wonder if it was made specifically to be a lamp. Some of the painting seems to be rushed as well (the black parts) so that even leads me further down that line of thought. Can anyone confirm that vases such as these were made specifically for lamping?
Jon
Hi,
If it is glazed inside, then the drill hole would most likely also be glazed if it was made to be a lamp.
Sometimes, vases were drilled after firing to make people think they had come across an older piece - a kind of faking technique.
Best wishes,
Julia
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