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@bartholin Hey John, here are the pieces I promised I'd post for you to see. First the stand.
And here is the basket.
I'll let you enjoy your research then wait to hear back, after which I will share with you the email I received from Angela Howard when I reached out to her, which I know you will appreciate. Cheers! John
Thanks for sharing these! I LOVE them (especially the basket). Yes, it certainly represents the same changing tastes in the early 19th century for armorials orders as the coffee can. It is incredibly well-detailed.
I don't think I've ever seen such a small reticulated basket. I wonder if your tray is the original tray to your basket... The reticulated basket illustrated in CAP 2 is the exact same outdoor scene as your tray, but provides no measurements. I wonder if yours is the tray to that one, but it also leaves the question of why there were two different scenes for this service. Perhaps each piece had a different unique scene, or there were two different services! I hope Angela answered this question.
Sir Henry John Seton's story is also unfortunate. Apparently, he was run over by a carriage.
Here's the write-up in CAP 2:
John
@bartholin Here is the info from the Angela Howard email I wanted to share. You will see that she addresses the issue of the different scenes within the same service that you mentioned.
"In this Seton service the heraldry is absolutely precise and has been very accurately painted on the porcelain. These are the arms of Seton of Touch and later of Abercorn, for which Scottish family a baronetcy (hereditary title) was created in 1663. I am attaching a pdf of the double page spread in my late husband’s second volume of Chinese Armorial Porcelain (CAP II) which you said you had not seen. The third entry down will explain more about this service and the family. The armorial on this service has the ‘supporters’ (greyhounds on either side of the shield) which can only be borne by one person: the baronet himself and no one else. As you will see from the pdf, the 4th and 5th baronets both had armorial services, and if you assume that this service stylistically was almost certainly made after the 5th baronet’s death in 1810, then it has to be for his son Henry John Seton, who held the title of 6th baronet from 1810 to his death 58 years later. I am also attaching two photographs of the family entry in the 1878 edition of Burke’s Peerage. I have put arrows by the names of these three baronets. You will read in this that both the 5th baronet (Sir Alexander) and three of his sons served in India in the East India Company, and were thus ideally placed for ordering porcelain directly from Canton. Four services were ordered for this family in the space of about fifty years.
The style of decoration. By the end of the 18th century the EIC had stopped trading on their own account in porcelain from China, and the Private Trade (which included all armorial porcelain orders) had also diminished considerably. The reasons included heavy import duties of 109% levied by the British government in the 1790s to protect the English porcelain manufacturers, and war with France which extended to the Indian ocean and included blockading of ships trading with China. As a result there were suddenly far fewer British orders for Canton which caused some problems for their workshops. Most first half 19th century orders were made either for the American market, or for the British colonial officers still serving in India, particularly Scotsmen. This coincided also with the end of the reign of the Qianlong emperor. The new styles of decoration in the Chinese workshops during the Jiajing period (1796-1820) and beyond were totally different – far less European influence, more creativity and the use of Chinese scenes (sometimes from literature but often generic) and Chinese decorative motifs on the borders. The armorial services of the first 20 years or so were particularly characterised by different scenes on pieces within the same service. The Jiajing period and first decade of the next reign was probably artistically the high point, quality starts to go downhill thereafter and by mid century the decoration has become cruder and more repetitive. If you look at the attached pdf from CAP and compare the other six services on the page (there are obviously other pages too) you will see that they all share similar central scenes and butterfly/flower borders. It is very typical of this date. Your Seton porcelain is not unique in design, and neither is it very likely to be more than about 5 years outside of 1820."
I had to let this one simmer. I swore I saw that exact scene on another armorial piece, so I was hunting for it in the interim... I was wrong - It was a biblical scene with Noah's Ark rather than a Chinese riverboat. Not sure how I've mixed the two! I've thought about it quite a bit though - Angela didn't answer why the undertray and basket had a different scene. I would think the trays and baskets would match at least... I think it's awesome you have two of the scenes though. There are at least three different scenes used for this service. I'm a huge fan of these pieces, John!
https://pollylatham.com/fine-pair-of-seton-armorial-shell-shaped-dishes-7265-individually-priced/
https://pollylatham.com/beautiful-seton-armorial-compote-7260/
This one is a tureen and matching tray near me. I believe the scenes on the tray and tureen are similar if not identical (Although I was unable to view the undertray since it was locked away and the dealer wanted almost $3,000). I like yours much more.
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