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@nyccat the invaluable has a imperial six character seal mark as well just check again , but the quality is way off ..compare to the one that sold at EBTH . This Imperial pieces appearing in common Auctionhouses in Trift Stores Rooms filled with Cats ...hmm i think this combination of Fortune and Good Luck must be very apealing to the Chinese Collectors
They both look modern to me. I may be completely wrong and I hope someone will tell me why. I looked for some comparative items to assess the quality and came up with these:
This is a qianlong piece - not quite the same but ....
http://www.alaintruong.com/archives/2016/09/24/34360921.html
Here is a republic piece which I guess is what both of the other two are aiming for.
http://www.alaintruong.com/archives/2018/12/27/36972345.html
I agree with Julia. It's way off and it is not even a high quality copy. I doubt anyone will pay for this and if someone does, there is probably something fishy going on behind.
I also have serious doubts on alain truong sotheby's "republic period" copy.
ok, my second attempt to compare 😀 . so the invaluable one, the middle part where characters are written look white. but the ebth one, the middle part is light blue-ish?
and the border of it, the invaluable one is rounded on top and bottom. The ebth one is pointy on the top, round at the bottom. like a reverse heart shape. The gold outline seems much more precise and accurate in the ebth one.
I don't think it is very useful to compare the details when the overall composition of both is wrong.
First of all, the invaluable vase sold for $5,500 in 2019 is the same vase that sold in Sotheby's in 2018 for $23,750. This means someone took a big loss on it probably thinking the Sotheby's piece was Mark and Period and later re-selling it realizing it was a modern replica. Bidding at Sotheby's doesn't make you a knowledgeable collector and the big auction houses sometimes get things wrong. I challenge you to find a single piece that is clearly from the republic period with scrolls done in this manner with such muddy enamels. This is what good quality republic period scrolls should look like. It was still done in a classical 18th C. manner with nice clear enamels.
Also, have a look at the base of the $400,000 vase, it isn't even enameled but looks to have been roughly painted over with a wall paint brush. Just horrible. Furthermore, genuine Qianlong ruby-red ground pieces have marks in underglaze blue or iron-red unlike this piece.
@springmeier hi, the invaluable piece is not the same as the sotheby's piece. if you look at the red 4 character stamp. especially if you compare the lower right side character, they are not written the same.
I mean maybe these 2 are equally bad. but it's not the same piece.
sorry, my bad. I meant "lower left" character. but if you compare other characters in the poem, you can see the difference between the 2 as well.
I've been looking at it and I am still not convinced that these are two different vases. Whether it is the same vase or not, it isn't so much relevant when considering the authenticity of it. They are obviously both from the same hand as they are perfectly identical up the smallest details. Furthermore this proves that Sotheby's got it wrong dating their vase to the republic period because this invaluable auction house sells nothing but reproduction fantasy pieces.
@springmeier ok. if you can't tell the stroke of the lower left character. You see the yellow vine coming out of the purple vine? and the sotheby's one is not white background, it's a light green look. I don't understand enough Republic period things to say anything about their dating. But if it's the same batch, you'd expect the white glaze to be pretty similar.
I think you are right. The different colors can be caused by the conditions in which the photos were taken but you can see small differences in the details when looking at closeups. However it is clear that they are both from the same hand and using the same stencil for the outlines. If you look at other pieces they are selling, it categorically proves that Sotheby's committed a mistake dating it to the republic period.
@springmeier sorry for the diverge. back to the 400k piece, the biggest difference is... the Poem's characters look not painted on with a brush. which I think it's good! It looks like those characters on a proper bronze item. It has that texture of chiseled out feeling? I haven't looked at other parts. But the 400k piece is clearly different technique of how the poem is created. amazing calligraphy!
First picture is vase from met museum second is ETBH bowl for a comparison
I can not speak specifically about this wall pocket, but I recently bought a ruby ground Qianlong marked vase - exceptionally executed, but nevertheless a modern copy. The silky smooth foot even tricked my hands as I inspected the foot rim. I will post in a separate thread later...heading home from shopping .. I've got some fun things to show...perhaps a few fir the new Bidamount selling page.
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