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I did stop selling on ebay for several months. Now, I was going toward the decision of starting selling again, but there are some but.
It is no more possible to afford the many not honest buyers, always, always and always “protected” (read: invited) by ebay even when their claims are fraudulent under all evidences.
It is not possible to continue selling items for, in some cases, even less of what it has been paid, and then having to take it back for stupid reasons, which means paying the costs of sending to China and coming back, plus, in my case, having to pay the Custom duties (20% of the value of an item that it is mine, went to China and come back, but still mine. Crazy).
I have some shameful cases of items that I had to take back (remember the incredible case of a Kangxi dish. The buyer noted (perhaps he never handled a Kangxi dish before) that the thickness of the glaze was not perfectly constant and he said that it was a damage. He was an idiot, but eBay’ staff was ten times more idiot than him).
So, before start selling again, I was going to only accept transfer wire payments and not accepting PayPal anymore. Telling to my customer the I guarantee that I will take back every time an item that was not correctly described.
But found out that eBay.com is not allowing to accept anymore other payments other than PayPal!
Enough is enough. They are going to lose a further seller.
Giovanni
Hello Giovanni, maybe Catawiki is a solution, or the site Peter is making probably will be more secure for honest sellers.
Probably any idiot and scammer can get 100-200 euro things, say that he/she want the money back and probably you will pay back and let the keep the item, or if they send "potatoes" back in place of the item you sold, you will accept the loss.
It is not acceptable !
For things Chinese and other Asian antiques, probably Peter's site will help.
Regards
Michael
Dear Giovanni, I am sorry for your trouble and I hope you will find a better outlet for your items, seems as though lots of people have had problems with Chinese buyers and sellers. It may not be worth the aggravation, please watch the blood pressure, mine shoots sky high when stressed. Be well. Sharon
Hi Giovanni,
It's my understanding that Peter is working on bidamount live where buyers and sellers can buy. Similar to eBay and or auctions I suppose.
He has had apparently alot of interest. It should be very exciting when it's up and running etc.
I personally will be very interested in participating.
Mark
Yes, I'm looking forward to seeing how it operates as well. Looking forward to browsing the items.
A few months ago, I had a chinese buyer requesting a partial refund because of a microscopic glaze line invisible to the naked eye. Another one messaged me claiming i sent him a damaged item to realize later the photos he sent me were from a different but similar item from the one I sent him. A clear case of attempted fraud. Yet, I agreed to issue a partial refund in both situations because I would have lost money taking them back.
Have you tried catawiki? I think the buyers might be a bit more reasonable over there. I stopped purchasing low value items with the intend of selling them on ebay as it seems almost all the problems I've had with chinese buyers were with items under $1500. Above 1500, it appears you start dealing with more serious dealers/collectors.
There is definitively a lack of middle man selling platform between the large auction houses charging 35% and ebay . I believe a honest and reputable platform like rob-michiels but with more reasonable rates (maybe 15-20%) would become very popular and take away most of ebay's and other online auctions business in regards of chinese antiques. No need for fancy catalogs or scholar essays. They would receive your items, date them, offer a condition report, photograph them, list it on a website like liveauctioneer and collect the money. I don't think this work is worth much more than 15-20% of the realized price. -And please no "buyers premium" which is only an attempt to hide the true costs of selling through them. Another deceitful practice used by almost all auction houses . Honesty and integrity win you customers and more business, not some crooked scheme.
Thank you dear Sharon, you are right, better to take care of our health😊
Thank you dear Mark, I didn’t know about that but I am really interesting in seeing it when it will be ready.
Dear Springmeier, that is the current situation, it is very difficult to act honestly.
Most buyers are taking advantage of eBay’ stupid policy, and other places too have problems.
In the past, I have sold the nicest items to the major Auction houses. Now it is no more possible. The old experts have gone and the new ones have limited knowledge, so they only rely on provenance. No documented provenance, no way for your item being accepted. Very stupid, and in fact they are selling fakes too once in a while; but, of course, with “excellent provenance”.
Regards,
Giovanni
@nmh @springmeier. I'm still trying to recover from the audacity of your buyers as well, the wrong people are in "reeducation camps."
Dear Giovanni and all,
I, too, would like to find a better platform. As a novice collector, I find it alarming trying to wade through all the fakes on ebay and then compete with the dishonest buyers like the ones you have mentioned.
I want to build my collection with modest items at fair prices so that I can learn before jumping into deeper water with scarcer pieces. I am one of those definitely interested in those 100-200 Euro items. I realize that mistakes are part of my education, but would prefer that those mistakes not be so expensive that they ruin my budget for the rest of the year, or, still worse, sour me on collecting!
Looking forward to Peter's auction website, and hoping it will benefit all of us, both buyers and sellers, with an honest and efficient marketplace.
Keep well, all,
Carol
I find it best to block anyone who hints at being a problem. Be proactive rather than wait for it to happen I have hundreds if not thousands in my ebay blocked list. I'm not sure what the limit is, but I'm probably close to it.
This means I don't get as many bidders, and my auctions tend to end with lower numbers than elsewhere, but it also means that I generally don't have problems with the Chinese bidders who try to renegotiate after delivery.
I also add all problem buyers to the badbuyerlist.org so their name address email and phone number are online for anyone to find who does a background check on them - for ever.
Anytime someone from China asks me to under declare the purchase price - I take it as a red flag and cancel the transaction and block the buyer. If they intend to defraud their government, the chances are they will try to do the same to you.
After a while, you end up with a small, but repeat group that buy from you. They are happy, they get what they expect, and everything works as it should.
After nearly 21 years of selling on ebay, I've probably been ripped off every way possible. Once you see it coming, you get out of the way.
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