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I am sure this must be a copy. The handles aren’t right? The decorations look good however. What else is wrong?
I would say things like the colours, the way the flowers are done etc? I think if it were genuine there would be more bids and a higher price at the moment. It is nice-looking, I imagine it is a copy of this type of vase:
https://www.gazette-drouot.com/en/sold/art-d-extreme-orient-vente-de-prestige/103583
Julia we answered at the same time- I’m glad you noticed the strange flowers too.
Birgit
This one is at the Metropolitan Museum and is similar, but here the porcelain is layered. Is it always layered like this on similar Imperial pieces?
In short no they are not all layered as with the said example from the metropolitan museum.
The one from ebay is a clear copy. The handles are wrong. The weird flowers and overall look are stiffly painted. No visual wear marks etc et.
I know that it can be difficult when you first start collecting etc. However with the assistance of good references you can get an Idea of what is real or a copy. That along with visiting high end auction houses where you can actually handle them. And of course regularly visiting this forum.
Mark
This might really sound silly but it happened to me a little. You research and debate and research again and argue watch auction sales and one day down the road you start understanding everything is faked. At first we have tunnel vision and it just comes one day you really start to see it better. You see the flow better or the elements. That’s when you have moved from entry level hobbyists to beginner collector. And you still don’t know 90 percent of Asian arts
@lotusblack Yeah, that reminds me a something you told us not that long ago your wife had said when asking you why you would pick such a confusing hobby as collecting these Asian arts, when so much is fake, etc. Perhaps we are just the kind of people who like to do puzzles and solve mysteries, or to live in the suspense when we aren't able. John
Yes, that's what makes Asian art fascinating and appropriate for lifelong obsessions.
It's overwhelming, isn't it? The best advice I ever got was to focus on one niche and learn as much about it as possible and I've done that. It's been a while since I was fooled (but I don't buy that often and am just really a beginner).
One thing I've learned: stay away from Qianlong polychromatic imperial wares!
@steve Yeah, I've gotten that recommendation too, and against the doctor's advice have steadfastly refused to follow it. I can't even manage to keep it to just "Asian Antiques". The other week I came home from an antiquing adventure with a big framed pastel of an African American woman reading a book dated from the 1950's. But I am getting a bit more discerning all the time so I think there is still hope for me, in spite of my meandering focus. However some days it does feel like a race between running out of money versus running out of space, so I do have to be careful.
I know all about the running out of space & money part! 😆
I think Chinese antiques - especially jades, porcelain, and bronzes - are especially tricky because of the current, sophisticated manufacturing of replicas. Over time there have been different industries of fakes, depending on demand. For example, the notorious fake African art trade where items are deliberately made to look like they've been used in ceremonies, etc., which was a big market back in the 20s - 40s (and beyond). The most heartbreaking encounters on Antiques Roadshow I've seen involved these kinds of items. My mother bought, in the 1970s, a Dogan sculpture that is rather striking and large that had some provenence but later an appraiser said it was fake; the dirt and debris had been carefully applied to look used as a tribal object. If real, it would be worth tens of thousands of dollars, as is it's worth about $1000 (luckily she paid about that much!) So it was made by Dogan people but for export.
I collect old prints, glassware, and other items. Once I purchased a glass vase with a ship etched on it that the dealer said was "early American" and it had a few of the signs (broken pontil, scratches on the base) but when I got home I did more resarch and realized it was 20th century and not from the Federal period. Luckily, the dealer agreed to exchange for a high quality Rose Medallion shrimp dish. He told me that when he said "early American" he meant early 20th century, so there was a misunderstanding.
Besides imperial marked Qianlong items, I'll never purchase another "carved" cinnebar box; I honestly still have trouble telling the difference. Know thy limits of ability!
I have a pair of etched flip glasses that, if I ever try out for Antiques Roadshow, will be the items I ask about. I am fantasizing that they are Stiegel.
@johnshoe I went to moving sale no Asian Antiques but I bought a Salvador Dali limited edition print framed for $10 bucks I don’t just buy Asian antiques either I’m an equal opportunities kind of picker. I remember buying my first Picasso original at a Goodwill for $5 bucks
Yes, once you get infested with the Asian antique virus it rapidly spreads to other fields. I bought some pewter tea and coffee pots from around 1800 and a brass candlestick from the 1700s just because they looked so nice in combination with the porcelain. No one wants these items nowadays, they stay unsold in local auctions and are inexpensive. Had to stop because of lack of space
Birgit
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