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27/09/2024 11:03 am  

It is very clear to me that the said item in dispute was in fact listed (on invaluable) as of the period and in bold.

So I don't know what Doyles problem is here. 

Mark 

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27/09/2024 1:20 pm  

Well-spotted!

Auction houses should not be claiming that their comments can only be taken seriously if they are in bold! What nonsense! 


   
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27/09/2024 1:47 pm  

@imperialfinegems their claim is that is it is authentic and I should just be taking their word for it. I should just be ignoring everyone else that is claiming that it isn't.

I also did extensive research, and I am not able to find a single other example of a Frank Caro label that is oval and printed in the way this is, other than from dubious auction houses. So again, points to the fact that it was a fake label. All authentic ones seem to be round. 

While I completely understand that the responsibility is on the buyer to do some research, I think it is also partially the responsibility of the auction house if they claim to be foremost experts in the field and make it pretty serious mistake such as this.

And then to just completely cut off responses and not reply? I mean how unprofessional can you get?


   
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27/09/2024 1:49 pm  

I am starting to question if this ever even was from that Jade Dragon collection at Peter talked about, and if so, if it is even a serious collection? I am completely lost on this here, and Doyle is not providing anything that would give any comfort to a buyer that just spent over $10,000 on a piece.

Not to mention the fact that I also purchased another piece for over $10,000 that I am attempting to make payment on, but their lack of responses not enabling me to do so.


   
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27/09/2024 5:12 pm  

Doyle finally agreed to remove the item from my invoice. I will be paying for my other items and then probably never bidding with them again. This was such a strange situation.


   
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27/09/2024 5:20 pm  

@jg1133 The dish IMHO is authentic. Why do you think dish is fake?

 


   
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27/09/2024 8:19 pm  

Justin that's a great result. 

Mark 


   
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Topic starter 28/09/2024 4:15 am  

@jg1133

Hi Justin - 

Delighted, and most relieved, to hear Doyles have relented ...

Stuart 


   
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28/09/2024 9:31 am  

Glad they decided to do the right thing, perhaps they should stop accepting items from bogus sources, it would interesting to know who is next to receive this hot 🥔 


   
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28/09/2024 10:01 am  

@ahgu because the provenance was fake, and multiple dealers who looked at it closely stated that there were parts of it that while overall it looked pretty good, was a very clever fake.


   
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