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How possible is it to be accurate in dating Chinese porcelain without seeing the foot rim? Base on the Quality of the decoration, I think this may be a genuine Early 20th Century example. However, these immortal vase are copied and counterfeited extensively. The brass mount pedestal base looks like it is from the 1970s to me, so not very old. It has a hairline that shows a little age, but I need some second opinions and some education on dating and identifying Chinese porcelain based solely on decoration and glaze. Sometimes it is not possible to see the foot rim. Sincerely, JT
If there were ladies depicted it would be easier. I agree with you it seems to have some age. Republic or late Qing copying a Qianlong style. While the faces are rather nondescript, the underglaze blue part is nicely done. The lid is unusual but might be a later addition.
Birgit
It's a very nice vase/lamp you have posted.
The blue rim and base are not typically found during the Republican period. More so during the 19th century. It's not imo early PROC either.
So I believe it's a very early 20th century example. Circa 1900-1920.
Mark
I actually am not very keen on it. I have spent ages trying to find something to explain why I don't but I can't. I could only find one similar vase from the late qing/ early 20th c and that was at Bonhams. The fact that I didn't really like that either may well mean this is just my personal taste. That vase was also in imitation of Qianlong style and had an apocryphal Qianlong mark.
I think the dating is probably right, it was certainly my first impression to. However, for some reason itmdoesn't feel good to me. I particularly dislike the neck - a vase with those upper and lower borders needs a longer neck. One feels the patterns almost collide. I don't like the perspective on some of the figures, the way the flowers have no differentiation or the way the waves are done - or indeed the way the end of the sea just sits above the lower border with no relation to it.
Less personally, I wonder if that may be more than a simple hairline crack? That coupled with the potential difficulty of dismantling it makes me wonder if it is worth the time and effort of getting it. Obviously it may be very cheap, but if it isn't, I might wonder if my money might be better spent elsewhere.
Those are just my thoughts, I guess it is good we don't all find the same things attractive. 😊
Hello Jamie,
Agree with Birgit and Mark. However Julia makes some very valid points the vase decoration does seem very squashed in and crowded. Assume that white bee hive shaped part just below the bulb bayonet and switch is part of the electrical fittings. Considering the damage think I would pass on this item.
Cheers
Michael
The lady is asking 200USD. Supposedly been in her family for over 30 years. I like the quality of it. I just don't like the hairline and the fact that it was lamped. Mid 20th C. is probably the correct dating. Great subject matter. JT
I think this is a more recent piece. The figures have a more modern look in how they are interpreted. It is very subtle, but I feel it is different than what would be seen in a late Qing/early republic piece.
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