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Hi All,
I would like to learn as much as possible on the box. Comments appreciated. Age? value? Use?
Box dimensions: L14.5"xW7.25"xH3.5"
The surface is not pitted (or very very little) with the naked eye unless I use a magnifying glass.
Top surface has 2 white jade, green background, Buddhist symbols and small swastika in the middle. 2 stylized bats. The "Shou character" jade looks more delicate and better carved than the "Fu character" jade
The side has a more turquoise color, to me the flowers/butterflies looks a bit Persian.
The bottom is greenish blue with swirls design.
The inside of the lid and box both have a peach shaped "Shou character" with small peaches and ruyi or clouds design.
Thanks
Ken
hi ken and welcome aboard, I like your box but cant give you any concrete info on it. I believe the jade is real and the cloisonne and painted enamel box may be very late 19th century or very early republic period, not certain though. I have a couple of books I can check later. I really like cloisonne as an art and collect some as well as the porcelains. As to the value who knows what a buyer will pay these days if they really want it. The fact is some people just dont like to lose and will bid things up to crazy dollars just to be the winner and not reflect real market value but if I had to guess, maybe 2 to 3 hundred. I would probably pay a couple hundred for it, I like it, nice box and find. good luck.
best
joe caraz0la
Hi. You see the pattern on the lid, with the swastikas? As you can imagine: very time consuming and difficult to do. If you look in the first photo, you can see a lot of the wires don't cross where they should. There are gaps where there should be wires crossing to form swastikas. This is poor workmanship and an indication of mass production with little care for quality. This is a modern piece. J
Hi ken,
The box and jades are very beautiful, I would say that the jades are older than the box, jades are possible 19th century, but box, possible 50-60s. In 50-70s, China exported a lot of those kinds of box (many are wood) with jades inlays. In that period, jade and all other kinds of decorations were considered as “old society thing”, no one dare to wear them. Chinese government collected them and then put them in box as decoration and exported through Hong Kong to the world.
As the value, i beleve the jade’s value is way higher than the collosonnie.
Thanks
charles
Cj
Hi Charles,
That is quite useful information. It brings the story together nicely. I have often wondered how two jade pieces that seem to be from different time periods end up on a lid of a cloisonné box. I have seen a examples of wood jewelry boxes with jade inlay but the jades were of inferior quality. The "shou" character jade with the bat is definitely the older one and even has a hole on one side that indicates that it was once a pendant.
Thanks all for the comments
Ken
Hi Charles,
Given the predominance of Buddhist and Taoist decorations, the cloisonné box will have had to be done before the start of the cultural revolution in 1966. Between 1966 to 1976 craftsmen would not be putting religious symbols on their wares. The Buddhist and Taoist symbolism are too strong for after 1976 and it is certainly no done recently or of imperial quality. Assuming the story is right, then the Cloisonné box would possibly date to 1950-1966 then?
Ken
Ken,
first of all, “FU” and “SHOU” are neither budhasim nor Taoism. Those are just luck words in Chinese. Gods of FU, LOU, SHOU were created for good wish. You see a lot of Chinese’s restaurants have them, but the owners are not religious people. Jades decoration was popular before 1949. Since they have were not popular anymore in New China after 49, they were used as supportive decorative material for other things as export products. In Qing Dynasty, jade was used in box and other kinds of stuff too, but generally they do not use good quality jades. For imperial use, it is a different story.
charles
Cj
TO me the box looks to have been made perhaps during the 1920's to the 1930's, just as a guess. The jade could have been carved anytime in that period or before. It was a common practice to apply jades to other objects to enhance the objects value a bit. Good jades back then were very inexpensive, it was a buyer's market due to China's collapsed economy. This was done with many boxes, hand mirrors (jade belt fittings in particular) and so forth. Some of the retrofitted jades used were very old, others were not. Yamanaka Company made lots of items like this and desk sets and so forth. They also had a habit of drilling fine unmarked Jiajing and Wanli Ming Jars for lamps as well as fine Qing examples.
Best Peter
A little to bear in mind about the prices of Jade over the last 100 years.
Qing jade was relatively inexpensive well into the 1960's. A few years ago Christie's sold in two parts some of the Alan and Simone Hartman's jade collection. Some of the pieces reached hundreds of thousands of dollars, many were bought in the 50's to mid 60's and were bought for under $500 despite being of incredibly fine quality and were made for the Imperial court of Qianlong and others. Jade in the late 50's wasn't worth a heck of lot more than it was in 1915.
Even in the 80's I bought a pair of mark and period Qianlong superb white jade 8 inch circular boxes with "Shou" marks for $7,000. Today they'd be worth $600K to 1 Million. This month, Christie's has a pair of 6 inch simple open bowls, unmarked 18th C. with an estimate of $300K to $500K. They were probably bought back in 1959 for a few hundred to maybe $800 with the Hongmu stands (they were nearly worthless back then) In the listing they have a fascinating old photo of the collector in a jade shop in Tokyo (1950's), in the background cases, you can see hundreds and hundreds of pieces.
Peter
Great information as usual. Thanks!
Ken
Mornings ken
it look like you did good on your buy
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