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Topic starter 10/02/2018 3:24 am  

Could anybody tell me if this censer/koro is Chinese or Japanese and the approximate date. I bought it as being Chinese, but not sure. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Paul


   
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10/02/2018 1:29 pm  

It looks Chinese, it's an odd form but the colors and treatment of the foo lion make me think post-1920, but not modern. Possibly intended for the Japanese market. A very curious form. 

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10/02/2018 3:15 pm  

Could this be nyonya ware?

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Topic starter 10/02/2018 3:35 pm  

Thank you so much for your comment Peter, much appreciated. I did list it on eBay at a buy it now price, but decided to take it off just in case it was Japanese. In my description I dated it to: “Late 19th Century Guangxu / Early 20th Century Republic Period”. I was going by the colour of the Foo Dog on the date, and the design of the red border which goes around the top, which I have seen on other pieces of Chinese porcelain from that period. I bought it because I really liked it and was intrigued by the bright colours and how unusual it was. My gut feeling at the time was that it may have been Straits Porcelain, after doing some research I changed my mind. I have learned so much in such a short time from watching your weekly YouTube videos. I used to stear away from buying any Chinese, but I definitely got the bug for Chinese porcelain now. Thank you so much, you are doing a fantastic job, very inspirational. I think the forum is great too.


   
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Topic starter 10/02/2018 3:42 pm  

Thank you for your comment Shinigami. That was my gut feeling when I bought it, but it is a little bit of a puzzle. Peter may be right that it was possibly made for the Japanese market. 


   
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11/02/2018 5:28 am  

It amazes me how often conundrums pop up which are hard to place even after all these years.  This, of course, is what keeps it interesting.  I have a couple pieces I've owned which nobody can figure in over 30 years. Other than being very old and absolutely Chinese... So I've kept it for the day it's identity is known. 

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11/02/2018 6:38 am  

It is japanese pottery by  永樂 善五郎( 和全 Twelve generations late 19th ) The family has been producing pottery , tea bowls and others for generations. 


   
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Topic starter 11/02/2018 9:41 am  

Thank you so much for your comment, that is very interesting. Do you mean that the censer was made in the late 19th Century? Could you possibly give me the name of the family of potters that made it in English and maybe some links to pieces they have made. Do you know if it was made for the Japanese or the Chinese market? Would really appreciate any more information that you can give me. I have learned something new again from the forum, thank you so much. 


   
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11/02/2018 10:21 am  

Thanks so much Eileen,  The colors look very Chinese in taste.  Could you post some images of other things made by the family, would love to see some more. 

Thank you, Peter

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11/02/2018 1:42 pm  

Here is a link to their modern work. Not cheap even when brand new.

 

http://www.tenpyodo.com/a2943.html


   
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Topic starter 11/02/2018 2:05 pm  

Thank you to everybody who has made comments. I am going to put it back up for auction on eBay this coming Thursday for ten days and see what happens. Anymore information would be greatly appreciated in the mean time. 


   
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11/02/2018 5:37 pm  

Here’s few pictures I found in yahoo auction JP site, the mark 河濱支流 was seen used by 11th & 12th generation of 和樂燒 family, but  judging by the color of your incense burner, it might be done in the later date like early 20th century. 

Please copy and paste those kanji ( japanese words ) you will find some more of pottery had the same marking.


   
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11/02/2018 5:43 pm  

Please see my new post ( below) for more info and pictures. 


   
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Topic starter 12/02/2018 1:17 am  

Thank you so much for all your help, makes it a lot easier when you know what it is, especially when you are selling it. 


   
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13/02/2018 11:16 am  

Eilleen, 

Thanks so much for the images, very informative and interesting.  They sure did seem to be clearly influenced by Chinese examples, in particular, Later Ming examples. The second red decorated bowl has a very Swatow look about it. Interesting stuff! 

Thanks again.

Peter

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