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Topic starter 26/06/2018 5:18 pm  

Hi to all looking to purchase these  any information is well come 


   
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26/06/2018 9:18 pm  

Can you post a photo of the base of the celadon plate ? 

I can't tell whether the brush pot is old or not - the calligraphy is good, glaze nicely applied to the base, hallmark is carefully painted, and the porcelain seems a nice bright white so there is some quality. It's quite unusual to see just black letters on a white surface , it's possible it's some kind of memorial, but I don't know really.

You could look for the hall mark on gothenborg.org

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26/06/2018 11:12 pm  

The celadon dish pictured is from the upcoming sale at London Auctions and there is no further picture posted for the sale with regard to the reverse. Which is a worry with a low estimate and a very vague description.

The bitong on the other hand is done with high degree of calligraphy skill and from what I can gather it would be appear to be from the republic period.

Sorry I don't know the signature/base mark.

Could be worth a punt or two at the right price.

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27/06/2018 3:12 am  

Regarding the brush pot, is the edge of the glaze at the foot rim as messy as it looks?  I don't recognise the mark either; the first character looks like the beginning of China: could it say China made?  

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27/06/2018 4:34 am  

The first character is zhong , same pronunciation as zhong in zhong -guo 'China' but written with the four extra strokes for heart. The last character is 'tang', hall , so this is a maker's mark, but I can't read or translate the other two characters.

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Topic starter 27/06/2018 5:09 am  

Thanks for information its at auction i have ask the auction room local house clearing in london 


   
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27/06/2018 5:12 am  

The last two characters of the four-character overglaze red mark on the brush pot, cao tang (i.e., 'thatched hall'), are found in four-character commendation marks from the Qing period onwards, though this example is twentieth century. It does not follow in the footsteps of any of the earlier Qing examples that I am aware of, but is evidently continuing their tradition. The piece looks well done, and could well be Republic.

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Topic starter 27/06/2018 7:57 am  

Same auction room they have theses  pair  ? No base photos 


   
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27/06/2018 12:30 pm  

In my opinion it could be Republic. However I wouldn't bid without having seen the bottom. You can ask them to send you some pictures. Small auction houses are often quite lazy with taking pictures. I once could acquire two nice Republic vases for a good price because the pictures were so sloppy and I think I was the only one to ask for additional ones (where I could see the back side with the dating 1929).

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Topic starter 27/06/2018 1:03 pm  

Hi

Shinigami i have ask for more photos! Information about this but no luck as yet £1000/15000 they rate them ? And have interest  

 


   
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27/06/2018 3:15 pm  

good stuff.


   
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28/06/2018 2:19 am  

I also think the nice pair of mirrored vases may be Republic.  If you can't get to the auction yourself, ask for a condition report with more pictures, especially the base.

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Topic starter 28/06/2018 8:01 am  

Thanks  for all your comments its good this auction room has a lot of Asian  art still  to come so i will keep watching 

Thanks chris 


   
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28/06/2018 10:43 am  

Four character hall mark. “Loyal upright thatched hall”


   
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Topic starter 28/06/2018 11:16 am  

Just been sent this 18th  century  bowls  £150ish auction  price estimate 


   
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