Yes, both are antique. The famille rose one is the more recent of the two, and dates to around mid nineteenth century. The blue, white and red octagonal plate dates to the mid to late eighteenth century.

£4 for the famille rose one is entirely reasonable. How much did you pay for the other?

Alan

Hi Alan

Thank you for the swift reply. I paid £9 for the second one ( Chinese Imari) . I am considering psychiatric help after buying this teapot..which is a japanese satsuma meiji period teapot.  I am stopping right now!  

No more Antiques for at least a month.  

I am delighted you feel they are Antique, while these pieces are not the most beautiful or well painted, it does show you can grab a quick bargain of Antiquities if you willing to take the odd risk. 

I got the tea pot because it was free post and i literally took a shot in the dark, but was hoping was genuine so i could add it to my Satsuma collection if indeed it was satsuma, i was not sure. I paid £6 for tea pot, (free post ) and then £4 for the famille rose and postage of £3.50, but of course postage is always the problem and no matter the bargain eventually it adds up.   The £10 Imari is quite expensive at £6.50  postage so i am in negotiations with the seller to get that reduced to £2.95. 

6+4+3.50+10+6.50 = £30   And for £30 i am sure i could have bought one exceptionally fine and beautiful item from one of the better Auctions. 

Quality over Quantity but I am delighted to have added the satsuma and Famille rose is a great delight  that it is Antique. 

Forbidding yourself buying antiques for a month may be easier said than done!

I think you did well on both of the plates for that price. I see that the octagonal one has a hairline in it, but that aside, it looks to be in fair order.

Alan

I don't drink  but for the occasional and I don't smoke but antiques are in my opinion boderline addictive. It is very hard to sometimes to pass on a good bargain. I will have to spend more time learning and try focus on only getting truly beautiful antiques as i am not a trader in antiques  and do not have the reputation necessary to ever make a worthwhile profit from selling. 

It is an honor to acquire and  house these beautiful items but i would never have imagined this would become a psychologically challenging pastime. I am very good with money but antiques have shook me to the core. 

Hi Short Dong,

Does the teapot have any marks?

Mark

Hi Imperial,

No their are no marking, but i found one very similar to this one..  Which is the picture below, All the following pictures are of the teapot i got. At the very end is a picture of the base with no marking that i can discern of.

https://www.ebay.ie/itm/ANTIQUE-JAPANESE-SATSUMA-MEIJI-PERIOD-POTTERY-TEAPOT-HAND-PAINTED-BAMBOO-EFFECT/232800135887?hash=item3633f82acf:g:LugAAOSwFSxaOmLA

Hi Short Dong,

For the small price you paid for the teapot it is a nothing.

I notice that it appears have some damage to the lid which is a pity as it will detract from the value of said item.

I believe from said pictures that your teapot could probably date from very late Meiji period or a little later, maybe 1930's.

BTW the one on offer is very nice. If you are into Meiji period teapots this is a nice example if you can get the price down.

Mark

Dear Short Cong,

just to be precise, technically speaking it is not wrong to call your first plate as famille rose, but the more proper name that more precisely identify that peculiar type is "Canton". This because that type of ware was decorated in Canton.

Famille rose palette, based on colloidal gold, did start at about 1723 and was introduced into China by the Europeans.

Kind regards

Giovanni

Hi Short Dong, actually your teapot is marked, just not on the bottom. You can see part of the "Kinkozan" signature in the last picture to the right of the handle. Early 20th c sounds right to me...

Regards,

Mat

Thanks Matt, 

Please forgive my ignorance on this subject. I literally just grabbed the teapot. 

https://prnt.sc/jtr23q

The Kinkozan family of potters were active from 1645 until 1927 after which the factory closed. The background is that approximately around 1875 Kobayashi Sobei (1824-84) (artist name Kinkozan IV) started to export his products together with the Kyoto manufacturer Taizan VIII. The market was in particular America. Their main production period were approximately between 1875-1927 under the leadership of Kinkozan V (1868-1927). Technically specking Kinkozan family wares are not a true 'Satsuma' but should be classified as Awata Kyo-yaki.

Posted by: imperialfinegems

Hi Short Dong,

For the small price you paid for the teapot it is a nothing.

I notice that it appears have some damage to the lid which is a pity as it will detract from the value of said item.

I believe from said pictures that your teapot could probably date from very late Meiji period or a little later, maybe 1930's.

BTW the one on offer is very nice. If you are into Meiji period teapots this is a nice example if you can get the price down.

Mark

Hi Mark,

I am delighted that Alan said the plates were Antique, as to the shape of the teapot, it just had to be antique in how it was shaped so literally knowing absolutely nothing about it, I bought it on impulse. I love history and i think that is where my interest in Antiques comes from. Actually having something that has been designed and constructed by a person from another time in history is fascinating. Even pattern prints which are assembly line production are interesting to handle. 

The tea pot for sale is really lovely but way outside my price range for a tea pot 😉 I think I would go quite high on a particular Vase

 but not one of these tea pots. I doubt she will ever sell that teapot for £100. You could get a sterling silver Mappin and Web tea pot for half that price which is going to have a better function and look way better. I really like asian antiques but as an Engineer i have a very practical side and price shift to a Belgium hand made tapestry over a Meiji teapot. 

I think the only irrational interest i have where i might spend recklessly is in Noritake Japanese early century art nouveau and nippon hand painted. I think Noritake Nippon pieces will one day become quite valuable. Like in 50 years but it is still possible to get an entire set. I guess that is poor taste in a way, but Nippon ware are quickly becoming antique so their are still some good bargains to them, and some of their art nouveu while very small is stunningly beautiful.  

Posted by: clayandbrush

Dear Short Cong,

 

just to be precise, technically speaking it is not wrong to call your first plate as famille rose, but the more proper name that more precisely identify that peculiar type is "Canton". This because that type of ware was decorated in Canton.

 

Famille rose palette, based on colloidal gold, did start at about 1723 and was introduced into China by the Europeans.

Kind regards

Giovanni

 

Thank you Giovanni

I am definitely lucky extremely lucky to get that plate all in inc postage for about £7.50. I really appreciate members opinions and hold you all in very high esteem. In fact thanks to Peter's new sit i have gotten some really lovely items from his listed sellers. Migularry  sold me some of the best antiques i have ever seen, its like moving to a higher dimension.

    I was watching some of the videos here on the forum, and there is one about the British Royal Antiquities specialist that repairs broken or damaged porcelain. It got me thinking to be not so nervous about perhaps buying broken porcelain and repairing it. On further investigation into porcelain repair I  notice that it gets quite technical requiring some complicated tools and machines. However with some sandpaper and the right glue and elbow grease, you could repair some of these dishes into much better condition. 

Take this for example cost £4.50- 

I could drop this in some detergent and take it apart. Clean it and then re glue it with some transparent and more appropriate glue. Paste  and even apply paint if required. Then voila ...you have a half decent dish.  

Anyone who likes these tea pots, There is on on sale right now on ebay, ends in 1 hour.  Bidding at £6

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Antique-Japanese-Satsuma-Meiji-Period-Teapot-Signed-Next-To-Handle/173346044818?_trkparms=aid%3D333008%26algo%3DRIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D49138%26meid%3Dca8767963b404af09c596a412aa3e5be%26pid%3D100011%26rk%3D6%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D362328206823%26itm%3D173346044818&_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850