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I just joined today. This is my first attempt to participate, forgive me if I am doing it wrong....
I listened to several videos today but still have many questions 🙂 I tried to find an instructional video but didn't see one.
For example, here are 2 bowls that I have....OK, (I see my files are too big so I have to figure out how to make them smaller, sorry.)
My question would be , "Are either of these special?" I think the one with characters is older and of a better quality.
Any advise?
Thanks for your patience,
Dana
Hello, Dana
I believe they are Japanese Imari the mark on the one is imitation of Chinese ming
mark. You can go to Gothenburg. Com and look it up Japanese Imari marks.
John
Thank you John, for your quick response! I will look into it.
Dana
Hi Dana Murphy,
Welcome to this great forum!
I see that John has beat me to the post. I agree with him. Both Japanese imari. I think the larger one is delightful and has a probable date of early Showa period 1926-1989. The smaller one I believe is a later example. The larger one made for export. The other for domestic use/other.
In the reference section on books I believe there is a definitive reference book on japanese marks etc
Mark
Hi Dana - and as with Mark, welcome to this wonderful forum ...
Not really my area, but would agree with the posted comments on these two bowls ...
Stuart
For Mark and Stuart,
Thank you both for your response. If a piece has no markings does that imply it is pre C 1860? If so, is that always the case?
Dana
Hi Dana,
Unfortunately, marks, or lack of them, are not always reliable indicators of when a piece was made - as you can see by the mark on your bowl which if taken at face value, would date it to the 15th c and imply it was of Chinese origin.
Many recent pieces, especially ones of lower quality made for domestic use, are unmarked, whereas many pieces from before 1860 do have marks of one kind or another. A mark can be helpful, for example if your bowl were Chinese we know it could not be from before that period as the mark wasn't used. On the other hand Kangxi marks make a strong re-appearance in the later 19th c but there are ways of knowing whether it is a later 19th c copy rather than a genuine piece from the late 17th/early 18th c.
The best way to judge age is experience and even then there will often be people who disagree with you. You can learn a lot from looking at sites like this, reading books and articles, watching Peter's videos, but go to auctions and try to handle as many pieces as possible, look at shape, colour, decoration, wear, glaze base etc. You'll soon pick things up, but there is so much to learn: it is a lovely journey but a long one! I am making slow progress, largely thanks to sites like this.
Julia
Thank you Julia for your comments. Continuing to learn... I think I have figured out how to make my photos smaller to post! Let's see if this works.
This 18 inch plate was given to me as a wedding gift from my Grandfather in 1975.He asked me and knew that I had always admired it. He was a collector of antiques and art works and told me it was from the Ming era. I don't know if it really is. Sadly, during an earthquake in the 90's, it fell of the wall and shattered into many pieces. I did my best to glue it back together:(
So, I am asking for historical perspective and knowledge rather than value...Can anyone tell me a little about this plate?
Dana
Hi Dana,
Actually it's a charger and made in Japan. Dates in my opinion to the Meiji period 1868-1912.
I do like the way the egrets are depicted. A real shame about the damage. Nicely put back together though. 😊
Mark
Very similar to this one I posted a short while ago. Especially the border.
Todd
take it with a grain of salt
Thanks, yes, I have been watching Peter's videos and was realizing it was probably Japanese.
I'm learning:)
D
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