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19th Century Porcelain Craftsmanship
Hi Brian, I do think that is a spur mark on the famille rose plate. I took the photo and have handled it under a loupe. I was referring to this plate.
John, that is so interesting to see, thank you. I could eat that Kangxi paste!
I think it could be a spur mark, I have some similar to that. How big is the plate? Could you please post a photo of the back?
When Peter is better, I want to ask him about the porcelain on some chargers I have. Two have been on here; I and others felt 19th c, but someone who has much experience in that type of item, said late 18th. I am struggling to see that, especially as I then picked up a Rose Mandarin plate with the same look to the porcelain - and a spur mark, I think. I believe it is early, around 1830, so I want to know if that confirms a dating for the other 2, but it may not if yours is the same.
Sorry, if that sounds jumbled! , Yours does look very like the bases on mine, only it won't let me enlarge it enough to see clearly if it does indeed share similar features.
Hi Julia! I'm glad you enjoyed looking at these little photos comparisons I made! It was actually your earlier comment that prompted me to include the decorations on the same photo for easy reference.
This plate feels very different from my other late 18th c. pieces, although the decoration would be right for the period. I got it from ShangriLa Antiques - they had it listed as 18th c. Qianlong. I'm not sure what to think of it, although It is exactly 23 cm in diameter, so I'm struggling to see the need for a spur on mine. I also don't recall the two you've referenced - I hadn't kept up with posts here earlier this year as often as I do now. Could you show me? 🙂 Here's the photo of the base of my plate:
Thanks, John. That looks just like it. Mine are all large, one definately doesn’t have a spur, but as with yours, the porcelain is of a different type to what I usually find. It was one of the Shangri-la guys who said mine were late 18th c.
I find it all a bit odd. I have even started wondering if they could be modern fakes, but it is only the porcelain that I find odd. I want to sell them as they are too big for our smaller house, but I need to be sure of my description. I think the photos have long disappeared, but I do have one accessible. Actually, there may still be a photo from the seller still available on line, it is a bit dark here for photos at the moment.
I will have a look.
@julia - That's very interesting. Do the decorations fit with the period on yours? I was wondering if it was soft-paste porcelain since mine is not translucent as my other porcelain, but it looks like it's not: https://www.gotheborg.com/glossary/softpaste.shtml
Given it is so thin, is not translucent, nor is soft-paste porcelain, I wonder if it is stoneware... All very odd and suspect - I had this one listed on bidamountlive, so I'm glad you brought it up. I just removed it. I just assumed given it was from shangrila and the decorations look right that it was correct.
No, I don't think so: there is no crackle and it has different look. Just on my pc now looking to see if I have the photos.
Oh dear, the photos are dreadful! This is the best one I have for the purpose of the base - it is s a rather grayish but also rather wheaten colour. Hard to explain. This is more dish shaped.
This is another base, no doubt that these are spurs as they are the same shape. The base has sagged a bit. This has a blue tinge to the glaze but the same impurities and tone to the paste.
Actually the impurities don't show up that well in those, all 3 have lots of little black flecks - and at least one plate, has some larger ones.
Hi Julia, yes, I completely understand - those two are clearly the same as my plate, although mine is smaller. I looked into it a bit. Are you still a member on Gotheborg? I searched on there "spur" under the topic "Chinese Western Market Export Porcelain" and the first result has a couple of dishes that may be part of the same group as ours. They seem to agree that these dishes with spur marks are still mid-late 18th century.
Thanks, I am member and will go and look. The thing is, they can't all be 18th c as the rose mandarin one is clearly a q9th c design. It was sold as late, I think it is early, but I am talking around 1830. That date may fit the other two plates, but now I have seen yours I am starting to wonder if the clay came from a certain area/kiln as it is distinctly different
That is what I was going to ask Peter. I will let you know if I find out anymore.
Thank you, Julia! I would very much appreciate that.
Dear John, you are very right, they were masters in potting.
I have no experience in potting, nevertheless it is amazing to see how they have been able in throwing eggshell bowls, for example, or the uniform thinness of Kraak dishes.
I am busy currently because I am cataloguing my collection; I started cataloging snuff bottles first. In checking if they are glazed or unglazed inside, I am introducing a LED light. In doing so, I am amazed in seeing how the body of such small objects has an incredibly thickness uniformity. I have no idea about how they could reach that.
Thank you for sharing those observations, Giovanni. I will say, the difficulty is further compounded when you consider how finely levigated the clay was. That very fine consistency would make it more difficult for throwing on a wheel. Modern clay for beginners even include small crushed-down pieces of fired clay to help the clay body "stick together" easier. I've yet to even make something as thin as egg-shell porcelain with that kind of beginner clay much less porcelain as fine as the early 18th c., at least without it ripping apart in front of me. It is very impressive!
I would love to see your snuff bottle collection one day. Are you cataloging it online? I'm also curious how glazing the inside would affect its utility. I know very little about snuff bottles.
Dear John, it is my intention to compelte the cataloguing and then share it online, but it will take time.
Snuff bottle glazed inside is more "clean" but it is not so important. Some believes that older bottles are not glazed inside but I have no sure proof of that.
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