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Hi Guys!
This is my first time posting so I do hope that if there are any specific guidelines that may have eluded me you'll forgive me. On that note, I'm glad to be here and hope someone can perhaps help me date a vase I've had for a number of years. I am not sure if this is a Yuan vase or Ming vase perhaps it's something else? It is heavily potted, weighs 4.8 pounds, 10 inch high by 7.5 inches at the widest point. Thank you in advance!
Tony
Hi Tony,
It could possibly be from one of those eras, but it will take an expert to confirm. It would be well worth the $12 fee to use Peter’s authentication service to get his opinion. Give it a try.
George
Hi Tony,
Welcome to the forum.
I have my doubts that it has much age, the brush like marks of the browning on the foot look applied to me. Plus is there a molded seam down the middle of the foot and up the side?
Could be art pottery too if it is molded, but honestly the artificial browning of the foot makes me think it was intended to deceive.
On the plus side, the glaze does look quite nice, and would look great to display.
Cheers,
Jeremy
Hi Jeremy,
Thank you for the reply and you know, I never even noticed the seam running down the foot! And as you pointed out, it appears it may have been molded because there is a very faint raised line under the glaze following that line on the foot. It can't be really seen at all unless I tilt it a certain way under the light.
I don't know if its intended to deceive or not because its quite old/dirty on the inside and when when i rub the underfoot with my thumb, nothing comes off. On one hand, it seems old because there is also an old display label fell that fell off long ago but left a stained residue that is non sticky to the touch. But as George said in a reply to my post, perhaps its worth the $12 to have Peter look at it. At the very least it does display well! Thanks again!
Tony
Welcome to the forum, Tony. It's an interesting vase.
The shape doesn't look quite right to me, or maybe just not for a Chinese piece.
While the bottom looks right for a small Yuan-Ming jar, it looks much less right for a bottle or vase which would more likely have a foot rim. Is that a kiln split in the base?
Jeremy has some sharp eyes I think on the color on the bottom. Ask yourself if that's from decades in a wood stand or was something applied to make it look like that? A bright light and a magnifying glass or 10x loupe could answer that. I'd also look at some of the dark spots on the glaze.
If the signs of aging are convincing in hand, I wouldn't rule out late 19th c. Japan. If you're certain it's several hundred years old, then I wouldn't rule out SE Asia. I'm afraid I'm still leaning towards Jeremy's answer, but my fingers are crossed. Please report back if you decide to ask Peter!
Hi Craig,
To be honest, I am not at all certain of what I have, I did ask a local art dealer once a number of years ago and he said it was probably Ming and maybe even Yuan. I just took his word for it and never gave it a second thought until I recently discovered this forum and found that you guys really seem to know your stuff.
Looking at the glaze under magnification, the crackle and dark spots does seem aged and the couple of pits it does have looks legit. The pot is also really dense, hefty and heavily potted which many of the early Ming tended to be. In addition, as Jeremy pointed out and I only just noticed, it is likely molded because the kiln line under the foot leads up the side of the vase albeit faintly. I believe that many yuan vases and early Mings are molded? And maybe this kind of base was used because it is such a wide vase? With all that being said, I do agree with you about the shape as I've never really seen it in other Ming or Yuan vases.
Regardless, I do appreciate the insight and advice you, Jeremy and George have given and I probably will message Peter with these photos and ask his opinion. I'll share anything if I hear back from him hopefully with some good news. Thanks again! 🙂
Tony
it is neither yuan nor ming. It is modern replica which could be found in every fleamarket in china
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