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88Teo88
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Topic starter 08/02/2019 3:09 pm  

Hello Everyone:)

I have bought it right now, I think it is Yuan or Early Ming, but I'm still beginner:)  

Teo


   
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08/02/2019 4:09 pm  

Two,

Hope you didn’t pay too much as it appears to be a modern  item with an attempt to make it look old by adding brown color over the glaze.

George


   
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08/02/2019 4:12 pm  

Yes, it lacks the practised hand of a Ming painter, the painting seems contrived.

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Topic starter 08/02/2019 5:07 pm  

but here are some similar items:

http://ceramics.chalre.com/collection/blue_and_white_porcelain/bw-011208.htm

http://ceramics.chalre.com/collection/blue_and_white_porcelain/bw-020108.htm

http://ceramics.chalre.com/collection/blue_and_white_porcelain/bw-020208.htm

 


   
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08/02/2019 5:40 pm  

Teo,

Comparing your piece with a Qiling and flowers to the Phoenix covered container's inside, your design looks crowded and busy with several borders and circular lines versus the Phoenix example seeming more free hand.  The give away for me was the layer of very light brown which seemed added to imitate age.   Not being an expert, I will defer to others who would wish to comment, but something does not seem right with your example and it has me puzzled.  Let's see what others might have to say.

George 


   
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08/02/2019 5:43 pm  

I don't know about the piece you bought , but the website you referenced (Chalre.com) looks dodgy as hell.

Carl


   
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Topic starter 08/02/2019 6:04 pm  

Thank you George:) I'm just so excited to find something finally:)

Carl

How do you mean? fake ones?


   
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08/02/2019 11:37 pm  

I concur with the posts by George and Carl.

I would hesitate to add that I believe the cobalt blue is wrong for the said period. A little washed out and not consistent with the period of Yuan/early Ming. 

Others like Xin, Giovanni and Tam may be able to shed some light on said item.

Regards,

Mark


   
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09/02/2019 1:33 am  

I agree with George, these sandy deposits are often seen on modern fakes of yuan and ming porcelain, and to me the base and foot don't look right at all, with  something like sand being applied to the unglazed part before firing 

 

tam


   
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09/02/2019 4:45 am  

I don't know much about Ming items, but I do have a question: if you look inside the stem, you can see lots of fairly evenly and narrowly spaced lines, is that a possible indication of modern production?


   
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11/02/2019 4:13 am  

No doubt, they are all fakes. Very low quality fakes.

This kind of wares if they are of the period they must be made of much better clay. 

Julia, you are right. The bad manufacturing and the dirty indicate that it's modern copy.

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11/02/2019 4:58 pm  

Thanks, Xin. ? 


   
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Topic starter 12/02/2019 10:49 am  

Thank you guys:) I think i have to learn more:)


   
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