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Hello All.
This is one of my first Qing Ceramics bought from Mike Vermeer (sadly he passed away few years ago) around 2006. In 2006, the chinese antique market was not as bouyant as today according to him at that time... His website was teadust.com. Looking back I wish during that time I bought some Qing pieces but this is one of the two pieces I bought from him.
Here is the object. it is about 22.5 cm diameter. quite heavily potted.
Thanks...
Al
That's a Hongzhi mark. This looks like a substantial piece to my novice eyes. Did Mike say it was of the period or was it done later in Kangxi, etc?
It is a lovely bowl, and I would also love to know what Mike said about it. To my eyes the foot looks early part Qing, maybe Kangxi even.
I wish I had been into Chinese pieces back while he was alive, I would have loved to purchase such a thing from him.
Cheers,
Jeremy
Is the condition as fabulous as I'm thinking? Does it have even and small frits or hairlines or is it basically perfect?
@jbeer2121 do you know if they potted bowls like this thickly during Kangxi or would thicker be more of a Ming thing?
John,
It does look like its perfect condition wise. I am not sure about how heavily potted the Kangxi monochromes were, to be honest monochromes are not in my wheelhouse at all. I recently find myself debating buying a turquoise glazed bottle vase, that I am like 90% sure is 18th or early 19th, and going through old references on Gotheborg, which were mostly answered by Mike.
I have seen a few Guangxu examples but the bases don't look this good usually... But on Ming bowls the foot, in my experience, tapers in slightly, this almost appears to flare out slightly. Though I think Kangxi are thinner usually.
Basically I don't know, if this were a blue and white I would almost certainly say late 18th early 19th from the shape and color of the foot.....
I hope Al has Mike's write up, it would be very interesting to see.
This thing is stunning, regardless of age.
Jeremy
Doesn’t a yellow bowl from this period indicated Imperial?
After seeing the yellow bowl, I have to show my yellow Yen Yen vase purchased from Mike Vermeer years ago.
It was sold to me as late 18th century and I am inclined to agree. The yellow is applied directly to the biscuit with no white underglaze at all. Notice the cross hatching used in place if individual scales on the dragon. This vase is 16.5 inches tall, the paste is compact and light tan in color. There is a subtle crackle in the glaze due to stresses possibly induced during firing. This piece is most definitely not Imperial, but still is a really nice yellow glazed example.
They are both lovely pieces. Thanks for showing them. I like the small table yours is on, too, William.
@superox @johnshoe @jbeer2121 @lotusblack @william @julia
Hi all -
Not Hongzhi mark/period, the written of the ‘Hong’ and ‘Zhi’ characters are totally wrong and contain numerous stroke errors. This bowl is much later …
Marks on Imperial Hongzhi wares are written in a very specific way, totally different then that seen on this bowl.
The yellow monochrome glaze is regarding as the highest quality produced in either Ming or Qing dynasties …
The Kangxi Imperial kilns produced close copies of Hongzhi yellow and white monochromes, attached images/description of a bowl with Hongzhi mark, Gugong, Palace Museum Beijing …
It is a lovely bowl …
Stuart
Hi Al -
Having spent some time looking at the images on my laptop, as with John @johmshoe and Jeremy @jbeer2121, I to would be most interested to hear how Mr Vermeer described this piece when you acquired it from him? ...
Stuart
Hi Will. Beautiful piece you got. Stuart, in terms of what Mike Vermeer told me, he said its a good late copy of an imperial bowl made in 19th century. Early 1800s. I bought it in 2002. (long time ago!)
I remember going to see Tregaskis here in Sydney and he told me it is made in republic era.
One thing I notice is that there is a black spot that seems to run a colour down. I was wondering what is causing this.
Also, it feels quite heavy and not thinly potted.
Any comment on the mark and how it was executed ?
What could be its market value ? (just out of curiousity)
Thanks
Al
@johnshoe Hi. No condition is perfect. I had it kept on a cupboard since I bought it (2002 actually) now just want to bring it out to understand more about it...
Personally, I dont think its Mark and period and would be later than Kangxi (according to Mike Vermeer 19th).
Al
Maybe it is a bit of poorly mixed pigment? Or that kind of thing. I don't know much about monochrome, I find them difficult. However, I would tend to think a heavily potted bowl is more likely 19th c than 18th, especially with that foot/base. I don't know if it could be Republic, but to me it seems less likely. I imagine an expert like Mike Vermeer would have known that and said so.
Hi Al -
Thank you for forwarding Mr Vermeer thoughts when acquired and the additional images ...
Based on the images, so always subjective, and examples of both Imperial and private kiln 18th century monochromes seen and handled in museums, private collections and auction houses, I do not think this is 18th century ..
The incised centrel dragon/clouds is based upon/copies a well know Imperial Hongzhi design, the dragons on which are, usually, in green enamels with clouds and, on the bowls exterior, amongst incised waves all on a white ground ...
But I have never seen a genuine 18th century bowl with central incised dragon/clouds, and the execution of the dragons/clouds on the exterior does not seem to be in any 18th century style I have seen ...
As mentiond, the glaze tone, incising style and mark writing discounts a Hongzhi attribution ...
Whether this is early 19th, as Mr Vermeer thought, or somewhat later I lack the knowledge to say. You may wish to consider sending a description/images to Peter for his thoughts/opinion? ...
Stuart
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