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Started new thread as requested. So far I my research and books it has many properties of being transitional the foot the enamels but it also has things I don’t feel are correct. The green enamel reminds me of 19th century. my question is did they make these in this quality during 19th century and what is confusing is that Traditional period the quality seems a little sloppy. One other question what was the collection that used the N with a number? I cleaned up the foot.
I agree with Vic. That was my first thought, yesterday when I saw the base, but as I am not well-versed in genuine wucai, I thought I would wait till you cleaned it. I haven't changed my mind. What is that central blue circle?
I also think the decoration is too rigid, regular and precise, but even as a decorative piece you should double your money.
I’m still okay calling this late Qing.
The heavy handed black lines is very common in the late 19th to early 20th c wucai.
Also, the artist’s attemp of mimicking Ming style gives an overly naive depiction of a qilin, but you can see that the artist couldn’t escape their habit of making a more familiar Famille rose depiction you often see of qilin on jars.
The dimple in the bottom is strange, but the photo is a bit blurry in that spot (or my eyes are bad).
Thanks for your input as for the glaze on the center foot base this is not uncommon on transitional wares but as we can all agree at this point it’s not traditional. But it’s not modern the enamels and quality of the porcelain and tightness of the rendering look nothing like a modern copy. I do have some great clues to which period this is and would make the most sense as I feel late Qing to early 20th doesn’t make sense either. A Sotheby’s famille verte vase help me decide the time period as Daoguang period which this was a period consistent with these elements. The style of the leaves thickness of the enamel style of the Qilin. So I will keep researching. Thanks
Hi Brian and all -
Just for comparison:-
Attached images of a dish, guan/cover and tall ‘rolwagen’ vase decorated with Qilins, peonies/leaves and flames. All attributed to Shunzhi period and ex Sir Michael Butler Coll …
Note the differences in overall painting styles and enamel tones, very different from the vase posted …
With slight differences, this overall painting style continues well into Kangxi although, as with all periods, there are quality variants …
Brian, if you look at/through Christies NY auction of decommissioned ceramics from the Metropolitan Museum Coll, held 15th September 2016, there are some excellent Kangxi period wucai examples for comparison …
So not Transitional/Kangxi period, IMO, but much later …
Stuart
Thanks Stuart I have completed my research as this vase is most likely 19th century and I will sell it as 19th century the Rob Michiels comparison is my reasoning it’s brown base with same label pattern and over rendering are close enough the cobalt color and texture is exact. Again thanks for your help.
@lotusblack Brian, I think that it's fine for you to list as 19th c., but I want to make one more observation. See how the scales are rendered?
Thinking back to the post on Thomas' large and beautiful leaping carp plaque, and my own experience with a large pair of porcelain famille verte phoenix figures, this manner of filling in the scales so completely seems to be a Guangxu method, and thence forth copied into 20th c. pieces, but perhaps not after the Republic period.
I think it will not make a difference in value to call it 19th vs. late 19th c., but keeping in mind when the Kangxi revival wares were most popular, it also suggests a time of creation later in the 19th century.
@greeno107 thanks Tim I do remember that Plaque and the scales were rendered that way yes. When I’m not sure I usually state Late Qing early Republic to be safe or late 19th early 20th century.
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