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Topic starter 21/06/2021 8:28 am  

This box is at a local shop. The grain is interesting and kind of exotic looking. I'm hoping our wood people will be able to tell what it is, and maybe give an idea of age and quality. Thanks!  John

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21/06/2021 12:27 pm  

No help with the grain, but for some reason, the first thing that came to mind was some type of military campaign piece. I hope someone can address all that script. How about chestnut? Sharon 


   
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Topic starter 21/06/2021 1:51 pm  

@sharonp  Did you intend that as a pun? If so, very clever of you! The little chest made of "chest"nut.


   
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21/06/2021 5:01 pm  

@johnshoe  Yes, but after I had my chuckle, I Googled Chestnut grain and Chinese and Japanese Chestnut and I'm not sure it is not possible. I hope the grain experts ring in with an opinion.


   
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23/06/2021 12:20 am  

Also would like to know what all that script is about on the lid.


   
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23/06/2021 4:22 am  

hello Johnshoe 

this is the closest to grain of the box your showing,it doesn’t have the ghost figures but that’s more rare and prized by collectors.John


http://www.chinese-furniture.com/c_furniture/m_huanghuali.html


   
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Topic starter 23/06/2021 8:33 am  

@john-steward   I just looked through the types at the link you shared. Based on the pictures I think it is more likely Jumu or Yumu, which are the elm types. At any rate, it's an interesting little box. Maybe I'll buy it. 


   
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24/06/2021 11:00 pm  

@johnshoe A couple of observations:

This is a Korean chest.  It seems to come with a matching Korean brass lock.  My initial thought on seeing the grain on the end was that it might be elm, but the grain on the top is a bit "over the top" - unless it's cut from some kind of burl.  What bothers me is that - although the picture isn't clear - the bottom board looks like plywood (maybe lauan, "Philippine mahogany"?).  If so, that doesn't necessarily make this a recent copy - it could just be an unfortunate repair.  Having said that, though, I do know that over the past 50 years, a lot of copies of traditional Korean chests have been made (but with wood like this? probably not).

I believe it was common practice to paste paper as a lining on the inside of chests.

John


   
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25/06/2021 3:13 am  

Not sure this helps, but I came across a less elaborate box on ebay with the same interior. I think it was described as vintage, although that may not have been the actual word used. The guy was selling several wooden boxes, none of which seemed terribly old. 

If I see the item again, I will post a link.


   
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Topic starter 25/06/2021 7:36 am  

@jjytlee  Yes, you are correct about the thin plywood-like bottom. I was wondering if that was typical, or if it indicated a lack of quality. I wonder how I could tell if it was a repair or not? 


   
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25/06/2021 9:00 am  

@johnshoe Whether the plywood is a repair/replacement or original, I would say it’s a bad sign, since plywood wouldn’t have been available until the second half of the 20th century.  Artificial leather shoes with a nice wool suit?


   
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