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This little scroll-like mark is on the underside of a plate I bought and I'm wondering if anyone notices it and if it is associated with a particular time frame and quality? I can show you the other side also but I'm curious if just the mark says something to you on its own. Thanks for your help! John
Come on you guys, please tell me what this mark is! And preferably tell me that it is something Imperial!
Come on John,
That Mark is simply decoration applied by maker, perhaps a rare scroll or manuscript with flowing silk to indicate rarity or preciousness. Similar to other marks such as tripods or jade or such also seen on porcelain. It cannot be used to date this piece without seeing multiple photos of the entire piece.
George
@gfhandel George, thanks for getting the conversation started. Now that you've clarified it doesn't correspond to a particular date, reign, etc, and that it's a general kind of thing, here's the plate it goes to. Would love to know what you and others think. It seems like a very nice Kangxi plate to my uneducated eyes, but I have never been around one in person before so I'm not certain.
@gfhandel I think the flat color you are describing could be due to my horrible quality pictures which are by now becoming legend, and bad lighting. It's quite shiny and beautiful in person. It seems to have been in the same family for at least a couple of generations, so it couldn't be too modern. I'd say based on the info I have it would go back to at least republic or early PROC times at the most recent but probably couldn't be sooner than that.
Even though it's still bad photography, maybe this shot gives a different vantage point so you can see the glistening of the enamel and gilt areas.
Hi John,
This dish doesn’t give me a warm, fuzzy feeling. Not sure if its the colors, the design, or both. The enamels do look a bit better in the subsequent picture. Something a bit random that struck me is the way the bird is framed by the flowers in an unnatural way. Might have been better if some of the flowers/leaves disappeared behind the bird to give it some depth. No idea if that’s a legitimate gripe... 😋
Todd
take it with a grain of salt
To be more explicit: The foot rim smoothly curves into the bottom. That’s always a sign of modern production. A true Kangxi or even a 19th century Kangxi revival foot would have an angle closer to 90 degrees and look completely different. Even a Republic foot rim would look different.
Birgit
This has been very informative. A couple questions I have and maybe you guys have some further insights. As far as faking a kangxi piece say in the 1970's range if that is what this is, was it typical for such pieces to not have the blue circle and reign mark? I would have thought they'd have used those as well if they wanted to fake it. Another question is how long have fakers been using the old label technique - has that been going on since the 60's/70's and before or is that a newer trick?
And one more question I have is this: do fakers ever make plates in sets or do they like to focus on just individual pieces? This plate has five other siblings, with each one having a different image, except two that are the same. My guess is that originally it included 10 or 12 pieces total consisting of 5 or 6 pairs and they've gotten separated over time. One of the labels specifies that there were 10 plates at that time of sale, whenever that was. Here's another one with ducks.
@shinigami I have seen where labels are faked, but why would someone fake a generic label? If they were trying to impress us and trick us into thinking it was something it isn't, wouldn't they want it to look like some label of a good auction house or dealer rather than just some old antique store price sticker? It leads me to doubt the labels were recently placed on the item to deceive. And they do look a bit older than the time frame being suggested by those who have chimed in saying they are modern, post 70's. Perhaps then the assumption would be they were put on back when they were made in order to deceive right from the start? Was that something being done in the 60's or 70's with labels? I realize there might not be definitive answers to this, but I'm just curious to know for my own education what you all have seen and learned during your studies. Thanks for your insights!
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