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a bit of a back ground. This tankard I bought at an antique fair maybe four years ago. It caught my eye at the time. I ask him what made this worth the $400 Can . He spent twenty minutes showing me why.
It was presented as late Qianlong (circ 1780) export ware. He described the yellow as an imperial colour and that the five toed dragon was only used for imperial wares. He also mentioned the twig handle hand suggested export. The very limited rose colour on the rim was rarer colour for the time.
I offered him $350. Before I had the words out of my mouth he said sold. At that point I knew I had over paid. Live and learn. I still like it though. But it perked my interest, been learning ever since.
Any how ever since I have been researching and getting a bit smarter. I have since learned that what I was told has some ring of truth. My question to the smarter folks is just what do I have.
I forgot to add, the outlining is insized into the porcelain.
19th Century in appearance but probably 20th Century. Pattern is sort of based off the Daya zhai examples made at private kilns during the 19th century. This pattern with the dragons can also be seen on other pale color backgrounds with grisaille. The quality is not the same though.
These 19th century vases are worth a look, masterfully done. I dont think the handle would've stood up to the test of time. I don't know about everyone else, but when I think export porcelain, I think for the 18th or early 19th century market, when most of Europe really was massively importing pieces on ships and the flavor of the design was engineered for European taste.
I think you did fine on it though. I think it would sell for $325-375 today at auction.
It is what it is!
hi everyone, and thank you ronm, and michael, for your posts. A nice famille rose tankard, looks 19th to me but would defer to michael as I believe his experience is much greater than mine. Like michael said possibly done in the Daya Zhai them of the Empress Cixi, (sheshe).
thanks for sharing.
joe carazola
Folks, thanks for the comments and read on my beloved tankard. So Qing rather than Qianlong. Ok, and it seems I didn’t over pay. Still, I like it and it does sit proudly on our etagere.
The mug is fine, circa 190o'sh. All that matters is you like it and makes you glad to have it. You did buy it because it appealed to you, the date I think is of a secondary importance.
Overpaying once in a while is what I refer to as the collector or dealer "TAX". On this you might have paid a small one, no harm.
I bought this 18th C. Japanese moulded Tiger and Elephant charger (16 inch) a few years ago because I loved it. It's the only Kakiemon enamelled porcelain and lacquer example I've ever seen. In today's world its got nearly no market, it's odd and I probably overpaid. I do not care, it lives with us now. Glad to have it.
Peter
The dealer tax... or tuition money... Once I purchased a bowl for $3000 that I sold for about $250... beautiful jizhou-style bowl, tough collector market outside of major auctions. Peter has it right - only ever buy what appeals to you and things will always be ok.
It is what it is!
Hi everyone, an unusual plate you have there peter. Dealer tax and tuition huh, ok got it. I totally agree with you both on the buying what pleases you and makes you happy. You know I was just telling my lady that I dont know why but sometimes the Chinese art porcelains I see almost daily make me smile and I dont know why, I see a plate or bowl and just smile like automatically. This could develop into a long sermon on my thoughts about why I collect Chinese porcelains, but for the moment lets just say it's their beauty. Beauty is what I collect in fact, or beautiful objects, which I surround myself with. There are some smaller pieces I collected earlier, but typically I dont collect just nice things anymore. I learned that on another website for collectors, but they dont like me anymore and that hurt.
I would prefer to call it tuition, with a house filled with Victorian antiques, I think have paid a lot of tuition. But that was never the point. I would make a lousy antique dealer, or at the least a hungry antique dealer. I tend to by what I like, not what will sell.
Flightseven, never thought about what is so appealing about Chinese porcelain, but there is some thing in the Asian aesthetic.
good day to you sir. posting some new objects to the forum pieces very soon. Be sure to come back and have a look. I like victorian as well, I'm guessing last quarter of 19th century and maybe first decade of 20th yes? When I think of Victorian I think American Empire, big, beefy objects, gilded, dripping with it or ormalu and large victorian style homes. There a lot of those where I am from in Pittsburgh Pa.
joe carazola
Flightseven, your pretty close, 1880 gothic revival.
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