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Hello All,
Found these 3 small items at T&T this morning a Chinese saucer with my favorite motive of boy and buffalo so could not say no despite the damage. Think it might be 18th century. I like the way the buffalo seems to be enjoying the game of chasing the boys hat. I suspect the lovers of the high Qing will find it a bit to cartoon like. The other two dishes I suspect are from Japan at first glance they seem the same but a close look shows differences in the painting. The are both out of round a sort of squiffy oval shape. They both have a hair line in the same place and wonder if they distorted in the kiln. Unsure how to date them the fact bother figures have green robes may be a clue as to their age. The pair of dishes are 15.5cm x 15cm
Look forward to members thoughts as to age place of origin these items.
Cheers
Michael
Hi Michael,
great finds! Although the painting of the buffalo plate is rather simple compared to others, the footrim seems typical for 18th century. The other two plates have a ko-sometsuke look but are possibly also 18th century. But maybe all three plates are Japanese, then please forget what I said. In any case I would try to clean and bleach the hairlines. The chips on the rim of the buffalo plate also look as they can be filled easily. These three will make nice display items.
Birgit
Lovely plates, Michael! I really like the buffalo one. Is that fritting around the rim? Any chance it might be Kangxi?
Dear Brigit,
Thank you very much for your informative comments. Yes Ko sometsuke or Tianqi will be good area's to do some research. Tianqi being 17th century export wear for the Japan market and they usually have that typical gritty base. I think my two little bowls may be later and made in Japan as copies of the original Chinese exports. Will do some investigating. Would be nice if they turn out the be original.
Dear Julia,
Yes there is a slight roughness to the rim apart from the two chips. Don't think Kangxi I did see a bowl decorated in the same way late last year offered on line classed as Qianlong it sold way out of my modest budget. That's why I brought the saucer despite the damage.
Dear Short and Stuart,
Thanks for your comments.
Cheers All
Michael
Hi Michael,
Wow, amazing finds. I really like them. The buffalo is simple but very funny and nicely drawn. My amateur guess is all three are Chinese. You just don’t see Japanese plates of that age of that shape and no spur marks.
Best, Todd
take it with a grain of salt
Dear Todd,
I am pretty certain the buffalo saucer is Chinese. As for the other two the point you make about the spur marks is a good one. Will have to do some more searching. I like them as they are a bit Wabi-Sabi how clever of the Chinese in the 17th century to capture that Japanese aesthetic so well. At the moment my feeling is that they are later copies find it better to work that way to avoid disappointment at the end of a research journey. Will give them a clean see what I can find out in the next week or so and maybe ask Peters Bid amount team for an opinion. I had quite a shock looking at the prices being asked on Ebay for this type of wear.
Thanks to all who replied.
Michael
Just noticed that I forgot to say that I think they are all Chinese. There is something about those funny little heads that remind me of something I have seen elsewhere, older than 18th c. Of course, they could be copies, but I think Birgit's suggestion of ko-sometsuke/Tianqi is a good one.
Just been looking around. It ius all very interesting, thank you Michael! Those heads are definitely in keeping with Tianqi but I was wondering if the buffalo plate might also be (or pretending to be) of that type? I know it probably isn't white enough for Kangxi but the style seems to fit with an earlier date more than later, possibly? Also, I read that the Chinese deliberately fritted rims and cracked pieces just to appeal to Japanese taste.
Obviously, I don't know much, but I am just throwing that out there, if that is ok? Happy to be shot down. ?
I think the pair are Japanese , not all Japanese plates had spur marks , especially the smaller pieces , The circumference of the foot ring seems to be narrower than on Chinese pieces of the same size leading me to think Japanese . If that makes no sense i will try an explain when i am not so tired.
The single plate is a beauty , looks Ming to me also.
Carl
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