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Topic starter 17/03/2023 5:29 pm  

Hey Folks,

So I recently acquired this interesting alms-form bowl from a friend, who bought it years ago and always considered it Thai or SE Asian.  Something about the foot being so concave, the circular cut out on the base, and it being so high fired made me think Chinese.  Then I went down the rabbit hole of what exactly it might be, and the only type of ware I could begin to think of was Yue ware, especially given the base cutout, and the olive green color.  An interesting part was the creaminess of the overall glaze but then the drips were glass-like green, very odd.

After digging through the green glazed wares on the Gotheborg forum I came across a very similar pot, which had a slightly different base but had quite a bit of white slip showing on the body.  I am fairly certain there are remnants on mine, and that also would explain the creamy green glaze.  The kiln suggested was the Shouzhou (  寿州窑 ) kiln system, which led me down another rabbit hole of tons of tiny regional kilns in the Anhui province.  I am not 100 percent on this, but I think it is a Sui-Tang Yue-type ware, the great granddaddy of celadon in a way.... wicked cool.  I have found a number of examples ranging from the the 5th- 8th, but seemingly these gray bodied Yue-type green wares were on the earlier end of the spectrum, the Shouzhou kiln was known for its yellow tone of green and later in the Tang dynasty it became known primarily for its amber wares.  Unfortunately I am having a rough time snagging images and/or link these sites, as the are Chinese archeological sites, but I'll post a few screen shots I could get.  I hope they show the similarity that I am finding.

Anyways, I am curious if anyone knows these types of wares, or has any insights.

Cheers,

Jeremy

Indoor full spectrum lighting since today is gloomy:

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And a shot of the old label which fell off but I have reattached, any ideas are welcome on this , maybe dated 1923, name is sloane or something else i dunno :

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And then the examples I could snag screen shots of:

Screenshot 2023 03 17 at 17 06 50 Fengcheng Hongzhou Kiln Site  School of Archeology and Museology Peking University
Screenshot 2023 03 17 at 17 05 34 Iron Age · Shouzhou Kiln Site in Huainan  Archaeological Network

 


   
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I should add that the yellow bowl is later and has lost the thick rim and the cutout on the foot is more pronounced....  whereas the first on is from the earliest of the excavated wares.


   
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17/03/2023 6:14 pm  

@jbeer2121 I wonder if Peter might be able to identify that label? I find the font style interesting and why the comma, unless part of a location? At any rate, I love the bowl. Wish it could talk and tell us it's history.


   
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Topic starter 17/03/2023 7:33 pm  

@johnshoe 

Hey John,

I will likely send this in to him.  I will say I went through a few databases of collector's stickers/labels.... nadda.

I did ask my friend where it came from, he thought southern Virginia, and I am wondering if it is William and Florence K. Sloane out of Norfolk, VA / New York, this is assuming I am wright about it being Yue ware, or even Chinese at least.  I will say OANE I cannot think of much other than Sloane, so perhaps others can think of something.  For all I know its an address...

I love it too, whatever the heck it is, it has sooooo much wear on the foot its seen some things... haha.

Jeremy


   
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