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Hi All,
I found this lamped vase this weekend, and de-lamped it. I am not sure if it is Republic or PROC. The bottom tells most of the story--it was exported by the Chen Shin Company. I looked online, and couldn't find anything about that company. But a few other pieces with that paper label are being offered online, and are described as being from the 1930's or 1940's. possibly into the 1950's. So, I am assuming it is late Republic or early PROC, although I don't know if it has to be. There is a mark, possibly a reign mark, on the bottom, but it has been almost entirely obliterated by the drill hole. The base is stamped "CHINA", but the paper label says "Made in China" Not sure if it could have been made a little earlier, and the paper label was added later when it was lamped for export.
It is clearly thrown and not molded. The enamel is entirely hand-painted, and seems reasonable to be Republic to me. But Peter says there isn't much difference between late Republic and early PROC decoration, so maybe it in not possible to tell. Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Charles
Hi Charles,
I agree with your dating. We often say late Republic, but due to the Japanese occupation almost nothing was produced between 1937 and 1945. So it’s either from 1945-1949 or shortly after 1949, impossible to decide I think in most cases.
Birgit
Couldn’t this be an old stock used latter? I agree that with the import law items where marked China and the paper label was adding later to fill the import requirements of 1921. Either way what a beautiful vase.
Hi Brian,
Your vase come later lamp is really a beautiful example. In my opinion it's republican period rather than later PROC. I believe that because of the following observations.
Firstly the black birds were a very popular design during the early republic period rather than the later period. Even more so during the later part of the guangxu period.
The drilled red seal mark is most definitely in my estimation to be hand-drawn rather than stamped. This strongly suggests a earlier period although not definitive on its own but in combination of other observations.
The fact that the vase has been drilled suggests to me a earlier date rather than 50's. Due to the scarcity of lamps during the 1920's to the 1930's. But not during the 1950's. This point has been mentioned numerous times by Peter in his weekly addresses etc.
It's clearly been made firstly as a vase and then later drilled for a lamp purpose.
1950's porcelain were in my opinion varied to their earlier examples even if ever so slightly. The political scenario had changed drastically. The porcelain of the times reflects this important change.
The paper sticker is highly probable to be an added feature by the company that was exporting the item. So to is the added stamped 'CHINA' to comply with export regulations to the United States of America.
So my feeling is that this vase/lamp is a product of the the very early republic period. Even the later guangxu period. So 1900-1920.
Just my thoughts.
Mark
Hi Birgit,
I concur with you. The base is unusual for earlier period. But not unknown. I have seen them before both republic and later. The quality is very good in my eyes. The birds, flowers and rocks.
Hi Charles,
Perhaps ask Peter for $12. I would be most interested in what he thinks etc. I would be very surprised if he thought it was later for the reasons I have already posted. But I have been known to be wrong before. 🤔
Separating Republic from early PROC is very problematic in my submission. It's very subjective. For example take that guangxu demon vase I posted recently that I had bought from a leading Australian auction house that thought it was late republic period.
Mark
It is very nicely done and although I know little about Republic pieces, I can see why it is tricky to date.
Personally, I don't see the shape as being very Guangxu, nor the way the flowers and birds are done - just my opinion, obviously, but it makes me feel it is later.
I wonder if the place where the decoration ends towards the bottom with the shape change gives any clue to its age?
No not really. It is determined by the shape and the overall style, manner and quality of the the enamels etc.
Another clue is the hand-made rather than machine madem. It is evident on one of the images (#9 the last one).
Mark
Thanks, All. I am still leaning towards later Republic-early PROC. The flare at the base seems a little clumsy to me, and the thin potting seems to be more common in late Republic or PROC pieces (based on other pieces I have asked Peter about).
But Mark is right about the reign mark--I was puzzled about that as well. The remains of it DO look hand-drawn. And the vase is definitely not molded or machine made. Possibly it is earlier.
Charles
@kirby13 So, a lot of valid points about the dating based upon the foot, label, and CHINA mark. Here's were I'd disagree a bit - I apologize in advance, but I don't think the quality is very good, and consequently I suspect this was made later than Republic, or is a very poor Republic example. Sorry.
Look at the birds closely....
No attention to detail...the one in the back with its head up looks like it's suffering. I believe they are suppose to look gregarious.
The flower and rock look good, but the rendering is fairly simply.
I think the discussion on age is academic, but let us not loose sight of the importance of the artistry. If I said it once, I'll say it a thousand times.... if a piece does not represent the qualities of the period made (both in style and quality rendering), even if it can be proven that it was made during the period, it is really not a good choice to collect. Right?
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