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Hello all! I just received this vase, and found the painting on it to be quite unusual. Anyone know any of the history of these animals? I was quite excited about it, but my husband has made me paranoid, and I thought I'd run it by you all first.
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I don't think it is telling a specific story. You have a very nice late 19th century celadon ground vase. Good colors and well painted.
A beautiful vase you have there. Very detailed and heavily decorated. I really like the fanciful detail on the butterfly and other.
I think this is what they refer to as clobbed ware. Export material and probable date of mid to late 19th century.
Mark
As far as I know clobbered means that additional painting was added in Europe, usually on an 18th century piece. This vase was painted in China in the 19th century in a typical style though it’s much better than the average examples, mostly plates. A very nice find.
Birgit
Sorry, Birgit/others you are absolutely correct.
My mistake! 🙏
Mark
Very nice piece of it's type , It has everything going for it , Shape , size and quality . I don't collect these myself as i think they are all ways too busy looking , too much going on.
But however , a nice piece of it's type.
Carl
Hello,
I have some serious doubts about this item. First of all the composition is extremely chaotic, there is basically no harmony there. Colours are also not very correct, but that might be a case of the camera/phone settings. Another thing is the decorations themselves are not very typical for 19th C - look at the way the flowers were painted or foliage - you won't find it on a genuine piece.
Can we see the photo of the base, please?
Best regards,
Adrian
small update:
I think Mark was right, Birgit - if this is a genuine celadon-base vase from 19th C, then somebody added extra colours much later, but I rather say it is a later piece.
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You’re right, it looks very busy, the animals are partly painted over the flowers. Don’t know if they did that later. A typical late Qing feature are bubbles in the pink colors, you can look for that, Dragonfly.
Birgit
Coincidentally, this vase was auctioned, yesterday. I was drawn to it because you don't often see marguerites/daisies (I think that's what they are) as a border. It isn't as chaotic and it is on a crackled ground but the same unusual orange colour catches my eye as well as the border. This was described as 19th c and although it was rather jarring in some ways (I like it but was outbid) I think the date is correct.
On the vase in the first post, the gold looks ok, I think. It's not too brassy, and the colours on the pomegranates (I mean the pink & yellow fruit) and the pink on the flowers seems alright. I do think the vase is a little odd but is that simply because it is so chaotic? Also, the faces on the creatures (Qilins? Chilongs?) are a little less cuddly than usual which is also off-putting. However, the similar celadon dishes one sees quite often also have no real sense of purpose to the decoration, could this just be a step further?
Would have been a nice buy imo. I do like the crackle effect along with the fanciful butterflies. Definitely a late Qing period vase.
Mark
You have some very good points there, Julia, with the gold and the border flowers. In the late 19th century there were many overloaded designs - the Chinese made what the Western buyer demanded. So that wouldn't worry me too much. What worries me a bit are the faces of the creatures that look charming but somehow odd. Maybe as Mark suggested the creatures were painted later into some gaps? The longer I look at this vase the more I think it's possible. It would be great if we could see a picture of the bottom and have some more opinions.
Birgit
The more times I look at the first vase the more I start to wonder about the strange foliage not normally seen on chinese porcelain etc. Something I failed to see the first time around.
Would really like to see a picture of the base and inside the vase.
Mark
Could we get a shop of the base including the foot rim (close-ups)?
Carl
The creatures bother me a little because they look copied. Their faces don't have the natural warmth that they usually do.
I just asked myself what this vase could be about. It looks like a celebration of something so I have just searched using something like 19th c celadon celebration vase and look what came up. It isn't quite the same by any means but the elements of the design are there:
http://www.grandauctions.co.uk/auction/a-large-chinese-celadon-famille-rose-vase-19th-century
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