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Hello all,
I recently acquired two very interesting pieces of blue and white porcelain, and would love to learn more about them.
First is a very unusually shaped bottle with a beautiful decoration...someone recently told me it looked Japanese, almost like a sake bottle, but I couldn't find another sake bottle in this shape. But is it Japanese?
Second is a jar, or what looks like a brush pot, which may or may not have had a lid at some point. This decoration looks more Chinese to me with the way the mountains are done, or is that Japanese as well? What do you guys think on how old each piece may be? They both have a very slight blueish color tinge to the glaze, and both have some bubbles to the glaze, and they both show wear, especially the pot along the bottom with a good amount of scratching.
Thanks for any inputs!
Hi,
I particularly like the way the tree uses the space on the bottle. I am inclined to think they are both Japanese, but not sure about use or age. The pot looks to have had a lid so probably a storage jar?
How big are they - that may hep identify what the bottle was used for.
Julia
Hi tipton444 -
Not really my area but concur with Julia, I think these are both Japanese pieces and, from the images, appear to be fairly well painted ...
No idea regarding age, and I could well by wrong, so lets wait to hear what others have to say ...
Stuart
S
Great, thank you both for your thoughts, much appreciated. The bottle measures 8-1/8" inches tall, and the jar measures 6-1/8" inches tall. I'm definitely curious how old they might be!
After doing a little more research, I believe the jar without the lid could be a "mizusashi" water holder, or it could have held tea, and the bottle is likely a sake bottle. I've been looking at a lot of "Hirado" porcelain and believe the bottle could be that... but still unsure of age.
Hi tipton444
In my opinion your bottle is indeed a sake bottle by hirado.
Dating these are difficult. However my research has revealed that the earlier ones tended to be bolder whereas the later period tended to be more on the delicate and more detailed. So in dating, it is very subjective in my opinion.
I think although I am by no means an expert on said items that your sake bottle is from the early Meiji period 1868-1912.
The other container is not a bitong and would either be a water holder or perhaps spices etc. I believe in all probability that it is also hirado ware. It also appears to have some age. Perhaps late Meiji period.
A couple of very nice items in my opinion. 👌
Mark
Thank you so very much Mark. Your opinion is greatly appreciated, glad to hear my research was heading in the right direction. Hirado wares seem to be very interesting, it will be fun to learn more about them.
My feeling is these could be mid C20th : if you compare the way the sake bottle is modeled and potted with the Bonhams example , there is some difference in quality, imo
tam
Normally I do not go against what tam18 posts etc. However I truly believe that the sake bottle is not from the mid-20th century.
If you kindly have a look at past sales, not only bonhams but also christies/others you will quickly see sake bottles similar not only in shape but also design to the one on this forum are listed as Meiji period.
As I have already stated hirado ware especially most of the unimagitive sake bottles are very difficult to date precisely. Unlike the more ornate figures and censers etc that can be easily identified.
Mark
Well, I guess we were all wrong. I actually was contacted by a guy who wrote a book on Hirado wares, Louis Lawrence, and he doesn't believe it to be one. He believes it is a great example of Arita from circa 1800, possibly a little earlier, or a little later. I still can't find any other bottles shaped like this browsing all the high end auction sites and Liveauctioneers. At least it's a lot older than I thought! Anyways, thank you both very much for the help.
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