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Topic starter 07/01/2022 10:09 pm  

I found these two very small jars I believe one could be Yuan and the other Ming or they could be Vietnamese also need a little help with origin and age. Thank you Brian

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@lotusblack 

Hi Brian - 

Attached images/descriptions of a similar decorated small jarlet with lotus scroll recovered from the Lena Shoal junk, the cargo dated to 1490’s, so Hongzhi period ...

The other two, with designs framed within cloud collars, are also from the same wreck ...

So your lotus scroll jarlet may date to late 15th/early 16th century, so 1490’s to 1520’s ...

The painting style on other jarlet with cloud collars appears from the images to be somewhat different, and the base also looks very clean. This may be from another country, or may be much later in date?! ...

Is this piece moulded in two sections and joined, roughly around the middle, similar to the lotus jarlet?! ...

Unfortunately, like everything nowadays, even these are faked so one must be very careful ...

But just my thoughts, and I could be wrong, so lets wait for others opinions ...

I hope these comparisons are of some help ... 

Stuart 

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Topic starter 08/01/2022 8:39 am  

@ming1449 thanks Stuart I believe the floating scroll is Ming and the other you asked about might be a rare Annamese Jarlet. Now I’m confused about this because different articles state different kiln origins. 


   
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08/01/2022 8:41 am  

The left one might be Vietnamese of around the same age. Both Vietnamese and Chinese jarlets were exported, a lot of them were found in Indonesia. I bought a few from Edmund Grundner. 

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Topic starter 08/01/2022 11:57 am  

@shinigami thank Birgit I believe the left is Vietnamese but they also use the word Annamese which I guess mean a time period when the Vietnamese people were under Chinese rule. I think that what it means. They are very small jars wonder what they where used for.

 


   
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@lotusblack 

Hi Brian - 

Birgit may well be correct, as these Chinese jarlets were exported in large numbers, and therefore copied, throughout South East Asia and Indonesia ...

The Annamese/Vietnamese closely copied yet freely interpretated such designs, and numerous examples of Chinese/Annamese examples have been unearthed from tombs/burials in many different countries throughout the above area's ...

As to purpose, they were originally used as storage for liquids, ointments ext. However, within certain societies, the Shamen, Medicine men or Witch Doctors believed such vessels were 'imbued with magical properties' and would chip/brack of tiny fragments, then grind them into powder to be drank/eaten ...

Stuart 

 


   
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