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Topic starter 24/07/2018 5:59 pm  

"Hello to all members on the forum."At my local auction in a mixed lot of oriental items these 2 pieces caught my attention,any info would be appreciated. The small blue/white Pill type box is approx 2"inch  diameter and the Dragon dish is approx 5"inch in diameter "many thanks " Brian.


   
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24/07/2018 9:09 pm  

I think I would stay away from these,

the first , a seal paste box, looks to be a modern copy , fairly crudely decorated, with a strange blue tone. 

The second , a water pot or small brush washer , is quite unusual in its colour palette , but also I think modern. If you look carefully at the dragon , it has a very stubby tail and the face and overall shape are not convincing. The footrim looks new .  That grey colour on the unglazed part is not what you want to see.

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25/07/2018 4:52 am  

Dear collectivia,

If you like them, by all means bid on them, but in the wider scheme of things, these pieces have no great consequence. They are relatively modern and have little finesse.

Best wishes,

Alan


   
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25/07/2018 8:07 am  

I like the dragon brush washer but it appears to be damaged.

Best wishes.


   
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25/07/2018 9:54 am  

Hello,Collective 

to me it's look like there a date marke painted in side the paste bowl 

of 27 ad 11year to it make it 37 or the one mark could be a 9 it hard to tell for 

the angle of the picture of the mark. I don't know if it done at that time period 

or not it possible. John


   
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25/07/2018 4:04 pm  

Hello,Collective

I have to amend the 11year ad on that for cyclical date porcelain and not number date pieces

so it 27 or 29 . John


   
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Topic starter 25/07/2018 5:28 pm  

"Thanks for the post Tam,"   In the end i did not bid on this lot, they were mixed in with various Japanese items of low value ie : chop sticks,bone back scratcher's, rice spoon,carved paper knife, 4 small damaged cloisonne bowls & a few other bits etc, but it still made around $300 with commission!?  I appreciate your advice given on these 2 items.     Keep up the good work...Brian.


   
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Topic starter 25/07/2018 6:12 pm  

"Thanks for the reply to my post Alan." Your experience is greatfully received. I have a small collection of  chinese porcelain which i will be posting on this forum for id/value etc in the near future. "Many thanks" Brian.   

"To thegoldentoad" Thanks for your reply. Yes, on close inspection of the photo it looks like a glazing fault and a firing crack?  Thank's for your observation. "Cheers" Brian.

"To John" Also a great thank you for your reply. Is reading chinese text or calligraphy your speciality? It would be interesting to know for future reference. "All the Best" Brian.


   
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25/07/2018 11:32 pm  

Hello, Brian

I know the number system and some of cyclicals dates and studying the writing. John


   
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