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Hi All,
Both these items were charity shop finds I doubt I paid more than $10.0 for the two.
The snuff bottle is overlay glass. The spoon appears to be bone it has vein lines. I know that they can fake those lines. Would like to know if possible a date for it. It is just under 6cm tall.
The vase is 7cm tall. It seems to have been painted with some care. The painted area's are slightly raised.
Can't recall exactly when I purchased them but would of been prior to 2000 so I know they are not 21stc but realise they may be 20thc. Would appreciate your thoughts.
Michael
Hi Brettm,
I like your dragon snuff bottle. It looks very much 19th century. However I know little about them. More up the alley of Giovanni. I hope he chims in with his thoughts etc.
Mark
It might just be the lighting, but the blue on the snuff bottle seems very opaque. Isn't the overlay glass usually a bit more transluscent on these bottles? I'm sure Giovanni will set it straight either way in short order.
Dear Michael,
not excellent news, unfortunately.
Let start with the first one. Are you sure that it is glass? If glass, it doesn’t look carved, the overlay has no signs of carving at all, it seems press molded.
And the color of the overlay too is not within the palette of blue overlays colors. Besides that, it is totally opaque as noted by John.
In glass overlay bottles, the color is turning of light tone at the borders, something that I am not seeing here. It must not be old, anyway.
Now, the second bottle. It is a well done meiping shaped bottle, and it must have some age. These are made with a crackled glaze, that usually is stained light brown. On top of the glaze, some patches of clay wash are applied (those in light relief as you noted) on which the cobalt decoration is made. In that way the cobalt has a white background, not stained because not crackled, hence it is more contrasting.
But… there is a but. The staining is usually made in light brown, most often by means of tea. Here, you can see that the staining is pink. That does not exist! There is no a pink staining in Chinese ceramic.
Because of my previous job, I am convinced that the staining has been with a special fluid that have a high coefficient of penetration, which is used in the industry just for revealing minute crazes that would not been see by eye. It has that exact color. This is my personal believing, but I am quite sure of that, either for the color, but, more important, by the fact that you can see here that the pink is not only on the glaze, but also on the base; just because he is doing what it has been designed to do, i.e. revealing minute crackles.
So I don’t know what happened here, or the bottle is not old as it looks, or it was not stained and some idiot found it more appealing with the pink color on it. Actually, depreciating it.
Regards,
Giovanni
Mark and John thanks for your replies.
Giovanni, @clayandbrush
Thank very much for a such detailed reply. I know that fluid you speak of for detecting cracks in welding. How clever of somebody to apply it to ceramics. Once lock-down is over In Melbourne both these items can go back to the charity shop they came from I now know I will be giving them very little in value thanks to Giovanni's knowledge.
Michael
Exactly dear Michael, it is exactly that liquid.
It is a pity because the meiping bottle has some age.
Regards,
Giovanni
Hi Avatar,
Don't think so it is pretty indelible deep in the crackles I suppose there maybe some chemical that may do it but that might cause other damage. Anyway it is just a $5.00 charity shop find I was thinking of giving it back, but I quite like like it. I have a small collection of miniature jugs and other objects from all around the world so it can live with them.
Cheers
Michael
I just found some examples that has the meiping shape and appears to have a pink stained crackle. I can't use the enlargement-function on that site unfortunately. https://fineart.ha.com/itm/ceramics-and-porcelain/four-chinese-glazed-porcelain-snuff-bottles-3-1-4-inches-high-83-cm-tallest-/a/5374-78033.s?ic16=ViewItem-BrowseTabs-Inventory-BuyNowFromOwner-ThisAuction-120115 And another one at Bukowskis that also has the meiping shape and seems to have the same base https://www.bukowskis.com/en/lots/976214-a-large-and-beautiful-copper-red-and-underglazed-blue-and-white-porcelain-snuff-bottle-qing-dynasty-guangxu-1874-1908 I'm not a snuff bottttle collector but I think your bottles would possibly do fairly well if you list them at eBay ...
Hi Avatar,
My little pot is a vase the internal shape at the top follows the shape of the outside. Bottles may have a shape that flares out at the top but the internal shape is straight. So even if I had a mind to I doubt if I could get away with calling it a bottle. Thanks very much for drawing the auctions to my attention.
Michael
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