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Today I've been lucky and picked up two antique sets of Japanese bowls unused in original boxes. One is very nice decorated Maki-e set with different mount Fuji veiws.
Another is rather simple but not bad quality and in pristine condition.
Maki-e looks to be 1800s but porcelain set looks late Meiji would you agree?
Also there were two dragon vases, I am very inadequate when it comes to blue dragons, seems trash but just wanted to check.
Thank you.
Wow you have been busy. Like the bowls thought at first glance thought the black ones were lacquer but can see now they are ceramic. Nice simple design on the second batch always think it's amazing how Japanese 19th design anticipated and influenced design and decoration on what was called modernist in the 20th c western world. Will wait until you post some better pic's of your dragons before making a comment. You have found more interesting items in a few days than I find in a year.
Cheers
Michael
Dear Michael
It's been a busy couple of months with the summer holidays to search through the market.
You are right those black bowls are lacquer wooden bowls. The porcelain set indeed looks classy, maybe western influence or maybe a chrysanthenum imperial flower inspired.
The dragon vases intimidate me, I know i have to count how many claws on the paw and how fierce their expression is... it's way over my novice ability. They did not feel old, probably modern fakes from Japan, but just wanted to check with the experts. Who knows maybe there is a dragon vase valued in the million just waiting for me ? Bottom of the bigger vase. BTW they are 75usd each.
Spartakos, how do you find this stuff, tell me your secrete. All exceptionally nice porcelains. Your vase looks to have significant age to it although I am reluctant to give my opinion on age,it would be just an educated guess. The smart folks will know better.
Even the crates have a rustic charm that would appeal to the designer types.
Ron there is no secrete, just traveling around SEA as much as I can and going through local thrift shops. When I saw a video from christie's about 12 000 000 usd dragon vase that was used as an umbrella stand..... I am looking since then ?.
Maki-e set looks amazing. The wooden crate is possibly valuable too, and it looks old for sure. However the lacquer are in such good condition, but having the crate with them it becomes obvious why. Whatever date they are still valuable and good quality.
I am curious why you think they are 1800, it is equally likely they are Meiji are even mid 20th. Have you got some experience with Japanese lacquer that gives you that evaluation. In any case they look fantastic.
Actually my experience in lacquer ware is very limited, and my assumption about the age comes mostly from analysis based on what little I know, the wooden crate is very deteriorated naturally without water or UV damage, consistent with other Edo period crates I saw, also the Maki-e is of best quality I've ever had and I believe if it'd be 20C it would considered higher end and would be packed and marketed in a better container. By the 20C this kind of crates were mostly used for inexpensive items. As you see it's just my guessing. Hope someone with real knowledge could guide me.
Spartakos,
Are your lacquer bowls decorated on the inside. If so can you take a picture and post might help with dating.
Michael
Indeed there are different inscription on inside of the lid, I guess corresponding to the different views of the mount Fuji.
Indeed there are different inscription on inside of the lid, I guess corresponding to the different views of the mount Fuji.
Will look into that, but can say right now that does not scream 18th Century. Even if they were left in the box for the entire 200 + years. They still would not look in such pristine condition.
Also the Signature on the bowl does not match the signature on the box. Maybe a japanese expert might be able to help.
I don't believe it's 18C ether, my gues is late Edo, mid 19C. I tried to translate the inscription and it is a name of the mountain pictured not a signature ? , the crate itself has quite a few writings, hope it'll help with the dating, will try to take readable pictures and post to more places.
Also here are some references to edo lacquer ware the condition does not look too bad ether.
Hi Spartakos -
The two bowl sets both look very nice - my congratulations on acquiring ...!!
The two dragon vase are probably trying to copy Korean Yi Dynasty, so 18th/19th C, a well known style/types. The bases on both look very wrong, IMO - but would need to see some better images of the overall designs ... Will post some images for comparison later ...
A word of caution - counting 'claws' and looking at 'face expressions' is one of the last things to consider with dragons ....
Stuart
Dear Stuart
Thank you, I am very pleased with the finds, especially the lacquer set.
Regarding the vases, I am not nearly confident enough to try and evaluate this kind of ceramics, but I think further investigation is worth it so I am on the way to have better pictures of this vases in case they are still there.
I will make a separate topic about them for better exposure.
Best regards
Spartakos
Hi Spartakos,
Asked about the lacquer bowls being decorated on the inside because late 19th and 20th century bowls made for export and the tourist market tended to be a bit over the top with decoration on all surfaces. Those intended for domestic use are a bit more restrained. They were made to be used internal decoration would not only be unhealthy it would soon become unsightly. As for the ceramic ones being western influence you could be correct but it's also possible that it could be the other way around.
Michael
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