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Hi guys, I'm planning on bidding on a lot with 2 dishes, one Japanese and one Chinese. The Japanese one is the one I'm most interested in, i believe it's mid 18th c Arita but any input on that would be appreciated. I initially dismissed the Chinese dish until I recieved photos of the back and noticed that it has a kangxi 6 character mark and I thought I should get a second opinion on it. The foot rim is really dirty in the photos but I figured the painting on the front may be the biggest indicator of age in this case. I have found an undated comp with a cleaner foot rim but the photos still aren't great, I will include those pictures and a link in a reply to this post.
Thanks, John
Hi John,
The reverse of the Chinese plate is in traditional kangxi style. But the photos aren't clear enough for me to have any confidence it's not a copy. I'm no expert of Japanese.plates but the decoration looks to clean and tidy to me to suggest it is 18th century. But have faith, I'm a novice on c18 blue and white. There are other people here who will have a much better idea than me.
@thomasumjohnson thanks for your input. Yh, the photos aren't great are they, I'll try to get some better ones but it took about a week for them to send me the ones I've shared so I may not get them in time for the auction. If no one is really confident either way on the Chinese dish I'll probably just bid up to a bit more than what the Japanese one is worth to me and see how the other one looks in person if I get them. John
The Arita one with the classic Y shape kiln stint marks means it's an older one, someone will be along who knows the period, whether Edo or Meiji. It's a beauty.
@sharonp thanks for your reply Sharon, it is nice isn't it. I think the angle of the photo makes it look lopsided but I think in person it will look great.
I know that this was sold in 2008, but arita plates don't generally sell that well. Also, when I think of arita I think of a bright blue. I also think of a loose.brush I know there must be other examples. What kind of price are placing on the plate?. Can you share a similar plate to the one for sale for comparison?
@thomasumjohnson I was 8 years old in 2008 so I don't really know what the demand for Japanese stuff was like back then but that seems like a really low price for a charger of that size. I have a kinda similar dish (a bit smaller but better condition) that Peter dated as mid 18th c. that he said was worth around £275ish, I will attach a couple of pictures. I'm fairly confident the lot I shared will go for around £100-150 plus shipping as it's had very little interest.
I like the Japanese dragon and the way the pattern forms a white flower. I haven't seen a mark like that before but I this link may be useful as I think this person has something marked like that. Your pictures aren't great but I think it is ok for edo and maybe this person can confirm or otherwise.
https://www.instagram.com/ko.imari/
I am not convinced the other plate is Kangxi.
@julia thanks for the recommendation, their second most recent post has the same mark with slight variation. That one is dated to 1670-1690 but it's quite different apart from the mark. I'll drop them a message about it. Thanks for your input on the Chinese dish as well. John
I found another of their pieces with the same mark and they say it's a 'kin' or gold mark used on superior painted ai kakiemon pieces which is interesting though it may have just been copied to make a piece seem more prestigious.
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