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Spartakos
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Topic starter 27/08/2021 7:52 am  

Dear members

I have been told this bowl could be from 1821-1851, I however failed to find other examples of such underglaze decoration to try and compare. Not a very popular design? The bowl isn't in a very good condition. What would a fair market price for such item be? 26x 23 cm

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27/08/2021 10:41 am  

I think it is lovely. Is it damaged or is that wear?  I love these bowls so am biased of course!

This is a beautiful pattern far more elaborate than the double happiness designs on vases and ginger jars later in the century.  I haven't seen a footed bowl like this, but I would say it is unusual not unpopular.   It is a version of this decoration:

https://www.christies.com/lot/lot-6022986/?intObjectID=6022986&lid=1&From=salesummery&sid=3570d122-4254-48b9-b9e3-77ceb9a6fbba


   
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William Huvar
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27/08/2021 3:39 pm  

The shape looks familiar.  Try researching in export wares to the west.


   
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27/08/2021 6:39 pm  

Tongzhi bowl is what it reminds me of and that is the Tonghzi mark, but could be Guangxu an i would be happy if it is as those are the  marks on my Guangxu vase, at least that is what i was told it was. Lots of Guangxu today 🙂 


   
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27/08/2021 11:03 pm  

My personal opinion is that it's highly probable to be from the Tongzhi period 1861-1875.

You will note the foot rim appears to be uneven/rough. This was a problem at the time with the kilns from about 1850-1875. Due primarily to the upheaval and turbulent times.

By the guangxu period 1875-1908 this was finally rectified.

It's a nice bow and if you could get it under $150 it would be a good buy. Assuming of course there is no damage and or repairs. I did try and find an exact/similar one with the turquoise and shou emblem to no avail. 

Just my thoughts. I don't really collect these types of wares. 

Mark 


   
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28/08/2021 1:55 am  

It is a Daoguang mark. I didn't comment on the age as I wasn't sure. I thought it might be Tongzhi because of the blue, the only other Daoguang pieces I have seen are white. On the other hand, the double happiness pattern is becoming much less refined by then. Then finally, it has quite a high foot, I am not sure what to make of that.

You will find lots of these types of bowls to compare with. Find a price you feel comfortable within the range of quality v price and add a little negotiating room. You may not get what you feel it is worth, but your aim is to make a profit and let someone else have theirs or feel they have a bargain in return for a quick sale.

Just realised that you may not actually be selling, I assumed you were. Sorry if that is wrong. 😊 


   
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Topic starter 28/08/2021 2:41 am  

Thank you very much Everyone, you are a great help to me.

The bowl have had a rough life, lots of surface scratches and wear, but luckily no chips or cracks. It is soaking in a soapy bath and after a gentle wash I could evaluate it condition. 

While there are lots of bowls with this mark I struggled to find one with similar pure blue design. 

Best regards

Spartakos


   
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28/08/2021 10:31 am  

https://brunkauctions.com/lot/two-chinese-famille-rose-lobed-porcelain-bowls-4094654

Found these similar bowls in an upcoming auction.


   
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28/08/2021 10:55 am  

I seem to remember finding bowls in this form that had Chinese characters inscribed/carved into them.

One of my friends from mainland China had told me that this was a common practice during the Qing, that family members would carve their name into the bowl/plate that they used for their meals.

I’ve never confirmed if this was true, but it seemed to be correct on pieces that I’ve come across.

While I like the turquoise color, I suspect that in the case of your bowl, the simpler design can be attributed to being a more utilitarian piece.

The examples cited by William are more typical of the fine quality pieces that collectors are seeking.


   
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28/08/2021 11:04 am  

@greeno107 I think the overall turquoise color with the scrolling is the attribute making the bowl in question the most interesting, you can find these shaped bowls easily. There are a surfeit of them, a popular shape. Maybe I'm too fond of turquoise. Sharon


   
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28/08/2021 2:28 pm  

I like it too Sharon and although there are lots of these types of bowl I think this design, although rendered in an inconspicuous less colourful way than many of the very expensive examples, is lovely. The more common pattern is not as nice as the ones that have the lotus flowers, bats, tendrils and double happiness marks. 

As I posted in another thread, the double happiness pattern regained popularity during the reign of Daoguang as he used if for his wedding dinner service - or something along those lines. I think that makes this interesting as I doubt he would have had the other version on his plates. 

Tim, I have plates with the owners name on them and seen them on some of the less well-decorated footed bowls. To be honest, I did look for one on this, which is when I noticed how nice the decoration was. 😊 

 


   
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29/08/2021 4:44 pm  

@spartakos I like it, too! Let us know if you decide to sell.


   
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