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Hi Guys,
Another long shot on a topic I'm no expert on... However there is something very nice about this brushpot and it reminds me of something, rare (the imagery) not the usual narrative. The colours and exterior seem right, the execution looks good to me (especially the branch of the tree and deer...) but the base looks the wrong colour (although there are some darker bases on transitional pieces). The base also looks newer, but I have seen some examples with feet in very good condition, although usually a paler colour. Any ideas if it could be transitional? I'm almost convinced..
or when might have it been made.
Many thanks,
Tom
The depiction is of Zhong Kui. I’m not familiar with translational wares, but try and find museum examples to compare the rendering.
I think he is more of a Kangxi (and after) subject matter for porcelain.
Peter was saying again in his latest video how many fakes there are of this type of ware at the moment. Given that and my lack of experience with these pieces, all I can say is that I find the transition (sorry just realised that is a pit of a pun) from the glaze edge at the bottom to the unglazed base is very dominating or harsh.
I am not sure I like the upper edge either. Do you own it?
As I said, I really know very little so let's see what others think.
Ah, not quite as pronounced (much smoother transition) but clearly the darker base line does exist.
I also am not convinced the decoration is good enough (although obviously there could variations in quality) but the area of the fence is a bit off. The shrubs are a bit whimsical, one of the fence rails disappears, the other stabs the deer's leg.
Maybe all that is fine and I have just been looking at this one, which is very crisps and has beautiful contrasts. I doubt they are all this good.
(ps so sorry about all my typos!)
@julia @greeno107 thanks guys... I take it greeno might think it's original? (thanks for the link..) I think the rendering is very good myself, not super crisp but delicate and with a confident hand. what sways me is the faded / less glossy finish you find on modern fakes, it looks the right colour and texture of something with age. I know these are being copied a lot recently, but the subject matter is not the standard and unusual.. Any ideas what is happening in the scene?
Hi Tom -
Attached images/descriptions of three pieces within Sir Michael Butler’s collection with have Zhong Kui within differing compositions …
All attributed to Chongzhen period, 1628-44, so very late Ming dynasty …
Concur with Julia, there are a great many modern copies of these wares currently been offered …
The overall painting style, shading and base of the brushpot posted raises some concerns …
Tread very carefully …
Stuart
@ming1449 Thanks for the info.. I found this based on your research..
and these, on ebay, although it lacks the faded / old feel to the porcelain which is very glossy and not faded. I guess it must be a famous composition?
The ebay examples are obvious copies, whereas the one I posted seems to be less obviously a copy to me.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/284485543905?chn=ps&mkevt=1&mkcid=28
Hi Tom -
This composition continues in to the Kangxi period, attached images/description of a large rouleau vase decorated in copper red exhibited No 150, ‘China without Dragons’, Oriental Ceramic Society, London, 2016 …
As mentioned by others, some of the copies of these wares been produced now are very good …
As with any objects, one has to have handled a large number of authentic pieces in order to differentiate between these, later pieces made in emulation, and more recent copies …
I do not know if you have acquired, or are considering to, but would only add that if considered genuine, the brush pot would at least be a £40-60,000 object - dependent on condition …
Stuart
Thomas,
As Stuart has pointed out among other things, I have concerns with the color, and the foot with no noticeable wear, and the shading. He has far more knowledge than I, but even one red flag would keep me from buying the brush pot. Fakes of Transitional wares are insanely common at the moment, I am finding 3 to five locally every week here in DC, just worrisome....
For me the color, that shade of blue, just doesn't sit right for me. I have a vase I posted here a bit back, before the prices for authentic examples skyrocketed, and there is split feelings on it being real, almost 50/50, thus I haven't sold it, only stared at it compared to my real example. I will say the blue is convincing enough on my vase in question, but the real one I have has this almost purplish rich cobalt that I cannot quite describe, there is depth to it, but it just kinda takes your breath away.
One question I have, and all this may be washed out photos(color concerns included), but are there incised bands at the top and bottom of the decoration, kind of a border, to not decorate past?
Jeremy
@jbeer2121 Thanks Jeremy, yes it has incised borders..
I know these have been copied a lot recently, in the last year or so.. and the prices have shot up. I share your concern about the base looking too clean, but I have found other examples with a very clean base. It;s obviously a long shot, but I also think the colours of the transitional pieces vary a fair bit, from dark to light blue.. I'm only going on the photos and would only buy it at a price that I thought I would easily get my money back for.
The base on this one is very clean and sold for nearly £40,000
https://www.tooveys.com/lots/311342/a-rare-chinese-blue-and-white-porcelain-brush-pot-bitong/
@thomasumjohnson Is this being offered at auction or privately? What is being said by the seller about it? Does the seller have other items for sale that seem modern or that look authentic? There is a lot to be deduced by looking at a sellers practices. There are some online sellers I come across regularly and I don't even have to look at there items, even though they do look rather impressive and somewhat convincing, because I know everything they sell are modern reproductions based on their practices. So, tell us what you know about this seller. John
Thomas,
Totally agree with that sentiment, I paid just enough to count this vase as a study piece if it is indeed a fake.
My concern on the foot is it appears to be dirty but show no wear through the dirt, the one you linked to probably was cleaned.
Just as an example here is a few comparatives of the two I mentioned. The lighting is not the best, as my photo setup is kinda mucked up as we have construction here at the moment.
I just have an uneasy feeling that I cannot shake, and one that I cannot put into words.
It is very tough because I would totally legit on both, if I didn't have to worry about the extreme amounts of fakes at the moment.
Jeremy
@jbeer2121 The quality of those two look very good to me. I would be sold on that, but the bases look an off colour? kind of orange. I'm not cued up on all transitional feet, but haven't seen this colour before (but it could be the lighting / camera). Not sure about the shape of the sleeve vase. But if you got them cheap I'm sure someone will snap them up, they look lovely..
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/10756/lot/231/
https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-5782173
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