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Topic starter 04/12/2024 8:43 am  

Hey all, 

I have this coming in soon. It was reasonable by most means for the price but I wasn't able to get a photo of the foot rim so that'll be seen after it arrives. I haven't exactly found this shape yet and the style to me might mean it's more of a later period export piece, although really nicely done for its appearance and shape. 

There is what I believe is a hand painted tongzhi mark on the bottom of the bowl, it's around 7x10.5 inches. 

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04/12/2024 9:43 am  

The Tongzhi mark in my opinion is stamped not hand-written. So that means that it was made for export or local consumers after around 1860's.

The colours look very vibrant. The flash maybe the reason for the very bright colours. 

Without seeing the base and footrim its difficult to give a opinion on whether it's period or later.

My gut feeling on seeing the first couple of pictures was that it was a later example. Possibly Guangxu or Republic period? 

Is this something that you bought? 

Mark 

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Topic starter 04/12/2024 10:09 am  

@imperialfinegems yeah I purchased it for a total of $32 so it's worth while provided it arrives intact at least. 

Appreciate the info about the stamp. I'm used to seeing one-press stamps where its heavy in fade around it, maybe it was saturated in ink either way or embellished after even. 

I'll provide an update of photos after it arrives by next weekend to help affirm it's age. 


   
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04/12/2024 3:55 pm  

10.5", that's punch bowl size, so it will be a pretty display piece, whether 1860s or later, $32.00, Merry Christmas to you Preston.


   
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04/12/2024 4:12 pm  

P.S. The ones decorated in Macau with the not for food warnings and without the scalloped rim are going for way above 32.00, the Mottahedeh ones (new) are very expensive as well. The only Mottahedeh I have is a white lion head cache pot that I bought at an estate sell, and this one with the scalloped rim looks prettier than their example of tobacco leaf, fingers crossed for you.


   
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Topic starter 04/12/2024 4:40 pm  

@sharonp thanks Sharon, merry Christmas to you and everyone here! 

Agreed, the more common pieces are heavily priced so far showing their demand. I haven't really had a chance to check out Mottahedeh's pattern until finding this yesterday, and I get what you mean.

 

The shape is unique from what I can find on average. There is one piece i can source quickly being described as republic period which uses the same scalloped rim style. This one does employes techniques and colors from guangxu, however. It would be weird but believable for a republic period piece to take guangxu characteristics, but mark it with Tongzhi. We'll know for sure soon though, turns out it's shipping from almost an hour away from me so tomorrow might be eventful. 


   
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Topic starter 05/12/2024 3:21 pm  

Well, i received it but it arrived shattered 😢 

The base is intact but the whole rim sides are blown off. Not sure if it's even repairable. Here's some photos of the base at least. 

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05/12/2024 3:29 pm  

What a pity! 😟 I hope you can get your money back because of insufficient packing. If it makes you feel better: I think it was a modern piece. Base and decoration look far from Tongzhi or even Republic. 

Birgit


   
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Topic starter 05/12/2024 4:37 pm  

Thanks Brigit, that is helpful. I'll prolly turn it into shard art or something with it instead in that event. It's super heavy so I agree on the age with that too. 

The seller was very understanding and didn't hesitate to refund it so it all works out at least. 


   
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05/12/2024 9:27 pm  

Yeah I agree that it is modern. 

From the 60's/70's...HK... imo. 

Happy to read that it was fully refunded. 

Mark 


   
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06/12/2024 10:46 am  

Too bad, have some fun with Milliput, watch some videos on piecing it back together. Birgit told me about Milliput and I had fun. 


   
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