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Topic starter 15/03/2019 4:33 pm  

Hi there!

I have quite a bit of porcelain hanging around that I have picked up at thrift shops and yard sales over the years, and I hope you all don't mind helping me identify some of it. 

So here are 4 canton rose pieces. One was "decorated in Macau", the two octagonal ones were made in China (any idea around which decade?) And the bowl has markings on the back and is only painted on the sides. 

Appreciate any help


   
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15/03/2019 4:56 pm  

Hi,

I can't really tell you more than you know.  If I had to put a date I would say they were all made some time from 1940s to 1970s, maybe?  Hopefully, someone else may be more precise.

Best wishes,

Julia


   
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15/03/2019 6:20 pm  

I agree with Julia.

I’ve always assumed these were 1970s versions of 19th century one? I don’t know it for a fact, but I remember lots of people having them in their houses when I was a child and they were considered ‘ornaments’ as opposed to ‘antiques’.

Nic


   
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Topic starter 16/03/2019 10:56 am  

Thanks, guys. That is actually helpful.


   
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16/03/2019 10:20 pm  

The first two plates seem to be republican period. Made in China marks were required for imports after 1926ish. The Japanese ... mark was used after 1950 after the Korean War started. Porcelain imports from China was banned due to the war. Therefore companies had to get porcelain from Japan and then decorate them in Hongkong or Macau. Such practice lasted well into 1970’s. 


   
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17/03/2019 6:40 pm  

I have a bowl in this design, and my bowl has a made in China mark which I placed at 1960. 

 

 

No doubt you can see how similar these two designs are....My bowl below. The bowl is very heavy and excellent quality in terms of construction. Just a great bowl 🙂 Cheap and cheerful and very strong. 

 


   
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17/03/2019 6:44 pm  

Also the first 2 plates may not be republican, the Made in China backmark is not confined to Republican. The 2 famille rose plates are not republican quality, and have to be just 1960's or later knock off's. 


   
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18/03/2019 4:55 am  

Yes, I understood that the ‘Made in China’ or ‘CHINA’  marks aren’t a great indicator of age as they were used for a long period of time, spanning several ‘periods’? The decoration, specifically the quality and characteristics of decoration, are the best indicator of age?

Is that right?

Nic


   
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18/03/2019 5:09 am  

Hi Melissa,

as to the octogonal plate: there was a short revival of Rose mandarin in the 1930s with rather low painting quality. I would date the plate in this time. Later examples that some of us remember as (rather ugly) decoration items from the 1970s/80s look more like this, the style being different from the old Rose mandarin:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Famille-Rose-Mandarin-Pattern-w-Court-Scene-Chinese-10-1-2-Dinner-Plate/323495037047?hash=item4b51ce8877:g:~CgAAOSwdHxbv7T~

 

 

 

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Posted by: Shinigami

Hi Melissa,

as to the octogonal plate: there was a short revival of Rose mandarin in the 1930s with rather low painting quality. I would date the plate in this time. Later examples that some of us remember as (rather ugly) decoration items from the 1970s/80s look more like this, the style being different from the old Rose mandarin:

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Famille-Rose-Mandarin-Pattern-w-Court-Scene-Chinese-10-1-2-Dinner-Plate/323495037047?hash=item4b51ce8877:g:~CgAAOSwdHxbv7T~

 

 

 

How things improve over time 🙂  It just gets better and better, 

Here is the latest from Royal Doulton

£45 for 6 plates. 

However these are much nicer, from Nisbets Steelite, designed for the bar and restaurant Trade. 

Have to buy in batch At 215 euro, works out at 17 euro per plate, but they are impressive. 

 

Steelite Willow Deep Rimmed Bowl 31.5cm (12 1/2


   
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