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Topic starter 10/04/2019 4:14 am  

Guess the real one. Actually I know one is real, I am pretty sure one is fake, and the other I am not sure one way or the other.

Todd

Here they are in random order:

 

 

 

 

take it with a grain of salt


   
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10/04/2019 5:56 am  

I have no idea but if I were going to buy one, seeing no more of it than this, then I would go for the third one because I like it best. ? 


   
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10/04/2019 10:01 am  

Todd,

From what I can see on my current small screen  the third one looks to have a bit to much crusty dirt on the top edge, but I like the birds.

The first one looks like someone cleaned i with a brillo pad.  So I am going to plump for number 2

Good fun post hope others join in

Cheers

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10/04/2019 11:26 am  

Hi Todd,

I know nothing about metal but I really love these riddles. No. 1 is the fake I think because of the unusual parrot. No. 3 is the real thing because of the high quality although the guy on the right side has a European look. No.2 probably also a fake - birds sitting on a sunflower? Rather unusual.

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10/04/2019 3:45 pm  

Birgit, I also thought number 1 was the fake because the decoration seemed European but I can't see the parrot! ?  You must have a very good eye for birds!


   
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10/04/2019 3:51 pm  

The parrot is at 7 o’clock looking upwards. 

Birgit


   
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10/04/2019 5:24 pm  

Hi Todd -

Absolutely no idea - however, I'll go for No 3 due to the perceived high quality. No 2 is also a possible, I do not like No 1 due to the decoration. But I'am probably way of ... good fun though ...

Stuart 


   
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11/04/2019 12:55 am  

2 is real simply because it appears most likely to have been fashioned in a blacksmith using more basic Iron pre 1850. 

Number 1 and 2 seem to be cut from similar designs and number 1 appears to have electroplating, and machine made.  I am not certain if that is electroplating but if not and it was crafted then it would be rather fine.Also the material looks more like an alloy.  

Number 2 looks like well worn very old iron. 


   
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11/04/2019 2:30 am  
Posted by: Shinigami

The parrot is at 7 o’clock looking upwards. 

Thank you, you really do have an eye for details! 


   
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11/04/2019 2:38 am  

Dear all,

I have nothing to say being myself not expert on bronzes.

Anyway there are two parrots, one at 7 o’ clock, which face is seen on profile, and one at 1 o’clock almost looking in the direction of the observer.

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Giovanni


   
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11/04/2019 4:21 am  

Good observation, Giovanni! Parrots rule out Tang dynasty I guess. You find them on late Qing export vases for SE Asia. 

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11/04/2019 4:39 am  

If we apply the same rules to these as we do porcelain, don’t we need to ask why there is that seemingly pointless crusty stuff on no. 3?

Nic


   
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11/04/2019 7:53 am  

Ha Ha  funny how we see things differently on our screens those parrots look like owls to me. They seem to have flat round faces.

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Topic starter 11/04/2019 10:48 am  

Let me 1st say that I know nothing of this subject. Just happened to come across one of these on ebay a few days ago, then started looking around to see what I could find out.  The 1st item sold at Christie’s for $161,000 usd. The 2nd and 3rd items were on ebay recently for under $400. The 2nd item from China. 

Being that china does not allow the export of antiques...especially one a thousand years old....I am assuming that the 2nd item is fake. (Tang 618-907 AD)

I don’t think any of us have much experience with the Tang Dynasty, so it was a crapshoot. ?

I am glad everyone had fun.  Those are indeed parrots and there are two, good eye Birgit and Giovanni.

Todd

here’s a link:

https://www.christies.com/lotfinder/furniture-lighting/a-rare-large-bronze-octalobed-mirror-china-5875974-details.aspx?from=searchresults&intObjectID=5875974&sid=9be323c4-1488-474e-8834-155564920d69

 

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11/04/2019 11:28 am  

No. 1 was my guess but I was too embarrassed to say. Every time I have a go at one of these riddles I’m horribly wrong so I kept quiet! 

Typical!

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