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Thank you! I wonder when it was first used; would help in dating this.
ETA:
FWIW, Christie's has this Japanese vase with goldstone and they date it to late 19th c.
That is the colour that was on mine.
John, there are a couple of aspects that I am not entirely sure of, but as a whole I find the balance of probability tips to meiji. But of course, that is just an opinion, based on what I can see, not a statement of fact. Cloisonné can be tricky.
Another comp from ebay to check out.
The cloisonne dragon vase posted by Marco is definitely Meiji period and not later in my opinion.
Steve is correct with his post about negative spaces being akin to Japanese rather than Chinese. Japanese use primarily copper. Chinese use bronze. The example has a natural patina (copper part).
It's desirable because of its size. A lot of these were unmarked. It's a very nice example. There are a lot of them about via ebay and auctions etc. Most like the example posted by Johnshoe are small. The larger the better.
Mark
Dear everyone,
Sorry for the delay in joining the discussion! after starting the thread i was a little busy and when i saw that this vase generated a good discussion i was quite glad. I must say that I have learned a lot from the comments that I am reading now. In fact, in the beginning the turquoise base also made me think that it could be Chinese, good to know that it also appears in Japanese pieces! Regarding geometric patterns, I was in doubt because I didn't have contact with many pieces of this type, but I have been researching other pieces and I agree about being Japanese, the observation about negative space is a good insight! Also in relation to the gliterring effect, I also would like to know the name of the technique, which reminds me of the "maki-e" technique of lacquerware works, especially Inros.
Regarding the style of the dragon, I agree that it seems a bit modern, I really like this feature, as I am a fan of Japanese pop culture, games and anime/manga since I was a child. I think that similar styles possibly can be found in wood block prints from late edo / meiji and it also reminded me of the japanese tattooing tradition, where many of the styles seem to derive from the aesthetics of woodblock prints in a more "aggressive" way . So, it is very interesting to see this style in an object from the Meiji period. I would also like to thank again everyone who commented and shared references. You are amazing!
All the best,
Marco
Hi Marco -
Not really my area but this appears to be a lovely, high quality and beautifully decorated example ...
Concur with others opinions, the depiction of the dragons, and elements within, indicate Japanese ...
The artists/maker has taken just as much care/effort with the secondary decoration surrounding the underside of the mouthrim, lower base and foot - always a sign of a good/higher quality piece ...
I will defer to Mark@imperialfinegems regarding dating ...
Stuart
Interesting read, I wish I knew more about cloisonné. The only thing I can say is that a patina on the copper, like this example, seems nearly impossible to fake.
Todd
take it with a grain of salt
The technique astounds me, actually. To think these are hand-made works and yet the precision and perfection is extreme. I've been meaning to google videos to see how they're made, exactly.
This has been an interesting read. I like your vase MB, although I know little about it. For those interested in reading more about cloisonne, the book "Japanese Enamels" by James Lord Bowes is in the public domain and free for all to download/access:
https://www.google.com/books/edition/Japanese_Enamels/2B1GAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&printsec=frontcover
It was printed in 1884 though, so it's missing information on contemporary cloisonne.
Kindly,
John
Hi, John
Here is mine. A smaller version (about 5" high) which combines some features of both the examples above. Nice dragons, intertwined around a geometric shape scrolling around the spherical ginger jar. The geometric shape is outlined in brass or copper--the dragons are done in silver wire. Phoenixes (I think that should be phoenices 😉) are below the dragons. The background is deepest blue (almost black) enamel, with goldstone pockets scattered through it. So it has the shape of the V&A piece, and the goldstone speckles of MB's piece.
It is the first piece of Asian art I ever purchased, a long, long time ago. I have always considered it Meiji. A little damaged, but I have always loved it!
Charles
Hi Brian,
A most delightful looking jar you have acquired/posted.
Most certainly a Meiji example in my opinion. Highly unusual design.
Is it signed?
Mark
Alas, no. No mark or signature anywhere. I should have included a photo of the bottom, but it is barren, except for the three feet.
Charles
It's not surprising. A large number were never signed.
Not entirely sure why this was. Have read that large department stores often ordered these works. But requested that no marks be included. Interesting!
Mark
@kirby13 Dear Charles Your "Ginger Jar " is most likely a Koro Japanese Incense Burner.
https://www.duveen.com/product/japanese-cloisonne-koro-with-cover/
regards Martin
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