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Hi all,
I was hoping y'all could help me with this Fukagawa celadon monkey figure. It came with an original receipt from 2007 and a box that I was wondering if anyone could translate for me too. I was thinking it's from the early 20th century because of the mark, but I've seen some modern sake tea sets with a few pieces with the lone Mt. Fuji/Stream mark which conflicts with the scarce information I found online about it. The "original box" and the figure also looks too new to be old to me. Here are some photos:
I also recently acquired this Kutani? teacup and saucer. It has a sticker saying that it came from a museum collection which I highly doubt since they misspelled the name of it, but I bought it regardless because I thought it was very nice quality and condition, and I really loved the bamboo handle. I'm reluctant to remove that sticker because I don't want to damage the piece. Here are photos:
Kindly,
John
Hi all,
I was hoping y'all could help me with this Fukagawa celadon monkey figure. It came with an original receipt from 2007 and a box that I was wondering if anyone could translate for me too. I was thinking it's from the early 20th century because of the mark, but I've seen some modern sake tea sets with a few pieces with the lone Mt. Fuji/Stream mark which conflicts with the scarce information I found online about it. The "original box" and the figure also looks too new to be old to me. Here are some photos:
I also recently acquired this Kutani? teacup and saucer. It has a sticker saying that it came from a museum collection which I highly doubt since they misspelled the name of it, but I bought it regardless because I thought it was very nice quality and condition, and I really loved the bamboo handle. I'm reluctant to remove that sticker because I don't want to damage the piece. Here are photos:
Kindly,
John
Hi John,
Your fukagawa monkey is beautiful. Fantastic detail on my opinion.
I think it's pre WW2. It's value is inhenced as you have the original tomobako (box). Most of these boxes that came with said porcelain were often either lost or discarded. It's certainly not in my opinion a modern copy.
Unfortunately I am unable to decipher the calligraphy. Hopefully George aka @gfhandle will be able to help. Or perhaps @JRN.
Mark
Hi Mark,
Thank you for looking at it! I value your input. I feel more confident in my purchase. It seemed a bit too good to be true, and I'm still learning in this area. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find any books on Fukagawa porcelain other than a small tidbit about the company in Hirado: Prince of Porcelain by Louis Lawrence.
Kindly,
John
Hello John,
We are all learning every day.. part of this wonderful journey I think.
Fukagawa piece:
Your tomobako provides us with a few inscriptions (which I’ll be happy to further look into when I get more time if you’d like).
From a quick glance though, I can tell you the leftmost column says “Fukagawa sei” over a seal reading “Fukagawa kinsei” (respectfully made), central column describing the item “[prefix]-okimono” (display ornament), and a seal on the top-right corner containing kanji of “Arita-yaki” (type of ware).
I believe the inscription next to the left would be the artist’s (hence ending in “-zo”), so I’ll look at this with some fresh eyes later as it’d be neat to find out!
Probably mid-century (Shōwa), but is well preserved so a little leeway could be padded on either end of that of that range.
As per the marks with Fukagawa, I recommend treating them with a tad bit of caution when referenced online..
Seems to be a large amount of information circulating on the more prevalent sites which isn’t always fully accurate; and the company has used marks of many varieties throughout its history (including older/traditional ones on newer pieces, as you said in the case of the tea-set!)
Nice little okimono you got; beautiful celadon glaze!
Kutani:
Within the cartouches the mark would be: “Kaga-no-kuni” (Kaga province), “Oda Sei” (Oda made).
Though referencing Kaga (modern Ishikawa), it’s viable they’d belong to the “Yokohama” type subgrouping (thinner, eggshell-like at times) of Kutani types made nearby, as he maintained a location in Kobe for some time as well.
Early 20th century; I love the detailing/border on them!
Oda pieces are some I enjoy very much myself - and I hope you will also, along with your other great finds I’ve seen you post here recently.
Best regards,
-JRN
Hello John,
Very nice items. You have heard from the experts so will no attempt to add more. Those Kutani " Geisha Girl " items are starting to bring quite good money. I like yours with the winter scene. The ones that seem to bring very high money are those that show in girls dressed in all their traditional finery but in a modern setting, in a motor vehicle, under electric lights or as in the one below in a monoplane. Social history in ceramics as Japan advanced through the Meiji and later periods.
Cheers
Michael
Hi @JRN,
Thank you for your detailed response! I appreciate your translations and insight. I didn't know the celadon monkey was an okimono. I'm a little shocked that the box could be original to it, and I'm glad the previous owners kept it so well preserved. I'd love for you to look at the artist's inscription if you get the chance. I'm also surprised that Fukagawa porcelain seems to be selling so reasonably lately considering the very high quality. I'll be on the lookout for more high-quality pieces!
In regards to the Kutani teacup, you've referenced some new information for me to look up, which has largely gone over my head. My copy of Kutani Ware by Sensaku Nakagawa just arrived, so hopefully, it'll shed some light on the differences between Yokohama eggshell porcelain and Kutani.
Thank you again for the opportunity to learn more about my pieces. I will always treasure them!
Kindly,
John
Hi @brettm,
I'm glad that you liked it! The teacup and saucer set you've posted is so interesting and significant. I think that the subject matter is so unique, and I've yet to see something like that in my searches. Thank you for flagging that for me. This diffusion of technology and culture as a design on these pieces are definitely pieces I hope to acquire in the future! I'll be on the lookout for them!
Kindly,
John
If I came across that set with the airplanes I think I would faint. How cool is that!
take it with a grain of salt
Just as an update, someone was able to tell me that my box for the Fukagawa okimono contains an inscription for the kanoe-saru year from the sexagenary cycle, which is either 1920 or 1980. Interestingly enough, it is the year of the monkey! I assumed it was 1920 because of the mark on the okimono, but they said that the box also contains a phrase, Kunaichōgoyōtashi, which was not used until after 1949. It looks like it is safe to assume my piece was made in 1980 late Showa period if the box is truly original to it. Also confusing considering the lone Mt. Fuji mark on it, leaving me with so many questions as to how to date Fukagawa pieces.
@bartholin I've said it before and I'll say it again, I think that cyclical dating system is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. What a perfect way to sow confusion for future generations. It's absurd.
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