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Topic starter 21/01/2023 6:24 pm  
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I would like to see how many of you have a soba sup in your collection.

As a soba cup collector in the 70sI whet on trips from Aomori to Kyushu.  First of all I didn't have much money and it was fun!  Every junk store had some soba cups.  Much later I found ONE book on soba cups (pix).  There may have been more since then.  This book is in Japanese but I did get somethings using Google translate.

  The question seems to be when did they start using the tea cup for soba and then next - the change to straight sided cups without the small foot rim.  It looks like early or mid Edo for that change when noodles became popular. 

When the noodles became popular the cups were in use BY the noodle shop.  The colored examples were with a foot rim and not straight sided early on.  The few I did find were late Edo or Meiji.  The other question is the cup with small foot rim are probably just for tea. 

The older Soba Choko  cups are overwhelmingly blue.  I couldn't answer the question (because I don't Japanese) is when did the turn from a tea cup into a flat side soba cup.  Using chop sticks dipping into the cup might have been hard to balance with that small foot rim. Any way, from mid Edo it seems most soba cups were straight sided without a smaller base rim.

The book says Soba choko (そば猪口) were Mass-produced for only domestic use in Japan in the Edo Imari period soba choko (1620–1886). The mark inside the cup may be the maker or for the Soba Shop itself. 

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21/01/2023 8:36 pm  

Hi David,

Here is a good website for such:

http://sobachoko.jp/room.php?t=4

Todd

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Topic starter 21/01/2023 10:18 pm  

Todd,

What a masterful collection.  I love it all, especially because they did it by categories!  My favorites are the geometrics, #2 and the arabesques #8.

I did notice that the dates were very much with my book.  NOTICE there were no color items.  Perhaps my idea that the cups with a foot are not at all Soba Choko but just tea cups.  I would still like the answer about the two.  Most people call them both Sobo Choko.

Thanks, very much for this link.  Do YOU have any?

BTW, in my tea cups there is a crossover with some designs on the Sobo Choko.

David

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21/01/2023 10:43 pm  

Hi David,

Yes, that website is pretty great. So many examples, and most are high-end, somewhat rare types. 

I have a very many, but most are packed away at the moment.

I found these four just last week, so still sitting on the table. 

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 I think the ones with the rounded walls are tea cups and technically not for noodles. So, people use the moniker incorrectly. 

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21/01/2023 11:05 pm  

@watership the inside and base of yours are like mine. Same age or are yours older because they are blue?

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21/01/2023 11:09 pm  

Central,

I don't usually try to date these types, because its barely worth the time. (The objects are worthy of research, but the time period is not vast). Most are late 18th, early 19th. There are very early ones, and those are worth some effort. But ours' fall in the 1st category. 

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Topic starter 21/01/2023 11:34 pm  

Todd,

I really like the arabesque pattern on those 4 cups!!  My favorites are the geometric.  I have noticed that some early tea cups share some of the designs on the Soba cups.  (or the other way around).  Notice the design on these tea cups which are common of Soba Cups.

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Central,

I forgot to mention there is some theory about the diameter of the bullseye shrinking with age....or is it the other way around 😋. Our cups certainly are similar, aren't they. At 1st glance I thought you had reposted one of my pics. 

David, I think my favorites designs are anything with animals. But I am partial that way for most every form of ceramics.

 

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@watership cool site, rabbit riding a wave is terrific.


   
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